Persian fantasies and the path to war

Rather than a Folie à Deux, call it a Folie à 5+1: a mutually reinforcing delusion involving Iran, the United States, Russia, China and the Europeans. What makes the outcome of the Iran nuclear deal so dangerous is that none of the parties to the agreement has thought through the consequences of its actions, least of all Iran itself. They are not so much sleepwalkers, as historian Christopher Clark characterized the combatants who stumbled into World War I, as waking fantasists.

There is one state of the world in which things go right, namely, Iran’s passive acceptance of national decline. There are innumerable ways in which everything can go terribly wrong. Game theorists who try to construct a decision tree from these criteria would assign a very low probability to a good outcome and a very high probably to a bad one.

Iran believes that it will lead the Shi’ite Muslims of the region to restored power; America believes that Iran’s enhanced status will foster a beneficial balance of power; China believes that the balance of military power between the Sunni and Shi’ite states (and between Iran and Israel) will prevent war; Russia believes that Iran will serve as a counterweight to the Sunni jihadist that threaten its southern flank; and the Europeans as usual close their eyes and hope for the best.

All of them are wrong, starting with Iran, which entertains delusions of grandeur. At their most flagrant, these delusions conjure up the prospect of a new Persian Empire. Ali Yousini, the advisor on Ethnic and Religious Minorities to Iran’s president Hassan Rowhani, raised hackles last March with a declaration that “Baghdad is now capital of the Iranian empire.” Iran, Yousini explained was an empire from its inception and “Baghdad has become part of this empire.” Yousini added, “Iraq is not only culturally part of its influence, but it is the [Iranian empire] identity and its capital today… We cannot leave this issue since geographical and cultural relations are ongoing and its demise is possible. We either agree or we will fight.”

Yousini was talking nonsense. There aren’t very many Shi’ites, and almost half of them are in Pakistan, India, or Turkey—surrounded, that is, by overwhelming Sunni majorities. Most of them want nothing to do with Iran; to the extent they did in the past, they suffered terribly for the association. After the Iraqi government condemned this slight to its sovereignty, “Younesi said that he was alluding to cultural similarities with Iraq, Azerbaijan and Afghanistan, adding that ‘unification’ of these countries could halt expansionist agendas of powers foreign to the region,” according to al-Alarabiya.

Yousini’s rhetoric about an “Iranian Empire” gauges the Persian frame of mind on the eve of the P5+1 agreement. Imperial fantasies make Iran’s ambitions more dangerous rather than less, for Iran will try to accomplish with missiles and weapons of mass destruction what it cannot accomplish on the ground.

A brief survey of the state of Shia Islam is instructive.

Percent Shia Percent of World Shia Population
Iran 95 40
Pakistan 15 15
India 15 15
Iraq 70 12
Turkey 15 6
Azerbaijan 75 4
Saudi Arabia 15 1
Lebanon 50 1

Note: The first column is the percent of Muslims who are Shia, not total population. Not included are countries where Shia Muslims comprise less than 1% of the world Shia population.

 

After the Iranian revolution, the Khomeini regime reached out to Pakistan’s 20% Shi’ite minority, with baleful consequences. As Ahmad K. Majidyar wrote in a 2014 report for American Enterprise Institute:

For the first three decades of Pakistan’s existence (1947–77), Shi’ite-Sunni differences were marginal: across the country, Shi’ites coexisted peacefully with the Sunni majority and practiced their faith freely and openly. In fact, the Pakistani Shi’ite community—the largest in the world except for Iran’s—played a significant role in the creation of Pakistan. Muhammad Ali Jinnah, Pakistan’s founder, and many of his political aides were from the Shi’ite sect, although they pursued a secular and nonsectarian agenda to unite the Muslims of India under the banner of Pakistan.

Prime Minister Ali Bhutto (1971-1977) was a Shi’ite as well. The military coup of Gen. Muhammad Zia-ul-Haq shifted Pakistan towards Sunni sectarianism. Encouraged by the Iranian revolution, Pakistan’s Shi’ites gathered en masse in Islamabad in 1980 and forced the Zia-ul-Haq government to rescind some its most onerous measures. The Shi’ite recover in Pakistan did not last, however. Pakistan allied with Sunni extremists in Afghanistan as well as at home. By the late 2000s, Sunni terrorism against Pakistani Shi’ites claimed several hundred lives a year, to the point that Waris Hussain complained of “early warnings signs of Shia genocide in Pakistan” in a 2014 essay in The Diplomat. Presumably the Pakistani military keeps violence against Shia at a low boil in order to preempt any repetition of the Shia rising of 1980.

Pakistan has more than twice the population of Iran, and a much larger military establishment, not to mention nuclear weapons. Its military-age population is growing rapidly, while Iran’s will shrink from 18 million in 2010 to only 12 million in 2020. In the not-so-long term, Pakistan represents a strategic threat to Iran. It seems likely that Islamabad maintains a low but constant level of violence against Pakistani Shi’ites as a warning to Iran not to repeat its religious outreach. Pakistan’s 40 million Shia Muslims do not represent a strategic facto. Neither do India’s 40 million Shia.

Turkey’s Alevis qualify as “Shi’ites” under a broad definition, but the Sufi quietism of Turkey’s largest religious minority has little in common with Iran’s apocalyptic sect. The Alevis support the secular opposition to the ruling Sunni establishment; Kemal Kilicdaroglu, the leader of the Republican People’s Party, is an Alevi. One reads casual allegations of Iranian agitation among the Alevi, but Iran has little real influence in Turkey. The ascendant force in Turkish politics is the Kurdish Peoples’ Democratic Party (HDP), reflecting Kurdish demographics. A generation from now half of military-age Turks will speak Kurdish as a first language.

Saudi Arabia has a 15% Shia minority, concentrated in Eastern Province, facing Iran across the Persian Gulf. Iranian leaders have warned Saudi Arabia that it will agitate among Saudi Shia in retaliation for the Saudi campaign against Iran-backed Houthi rebels in Yemen. In an extreme case, Iran might succeed in weakening the House of Saud. If the Saudi monarchy falls, however, it will be replaced by something nastier—either the Muslim Brotherhood, which the monarchy has suppressed, or by something like ISIS. Perhaps 10% of the half-million military and security personnel among the Gulf States are Pakistani veterans, including a high proportion of Saudi pilots. They would make short work of a Shia revolt. The Kingdom may not have reliable boots on the ground, but it has the region’s biggest air force and good pilots, including many Pakistanis.

Iran claims some of Azerbaijan’s oil discoveries in the Caspian Sea, but its efforts to subvert its northern neighbour through the country’s religious establishment have been ineffective.

Perhaps 20 million of Iraq’s 34 million people are Shia Muslims, but their strategic value to Iraq is doubtful. Suppressed by Sunni masters since the Sykes-Picot agreement, the Shia have little capacity to fight, as the miserable performance of the Iraqi Army against ISIS makes clear. ISIS has enlisted many former officers of Saddam Hussein’s army as well as militants trained by the US during the 2007-2008 “Surge” through the Sunni Awakening. Iran’s Revolutionary Guard appears to have established something of a balance of power in central Iraq, at considerable cost in blood as well as treasure. Basra Province in Iraq’s Southeast borders Iran, and its 1.5 million people are 95% Shia. The rest of Iraq will remain contested indefinitely. With 12 million Syrians and 4 million Iraqis displaced from their homes, the recruiting pool for military conflict is bottomless for the time being.

Hezbollah makes a great deal of noise given its small demographic base. The United Nations estimates that Lebanon has fewer than 700,000 men aged 20 to 40; if 30% of these are Shia, then the total number of fighters theoretically available to Hezbollah is lower than 200,000. Hezbollah is a militia, though, not a regular army, and its core cadre are estimated at fewer than 10,000. Perhaps 1,000 Hezbollah fighters have died in the Syrian civil war, a rate of attrition that can’t be sustained indefinitely.

This brief review makes clear that Iran has limited means to mobilize the vast majority of Shia Muslims outside its borders, even they wished to be mobilized by Iran. It has control over small pockets of Shia populations in Syria and Iraq. What Iran has, on the contrary, are rocket-launching platforms in northern Lebanon, Gaza and prospectively the West Bank—if the West is misguided enough to force the creation of a putative “Palestinian State,” control of which would be contested between Iran and ISIS. Hezbollah’s role in the Iranian order of battle is to provide an artillery platform against Israel, with human shields around missiles deployed in civilian areas of South Lebanon.

Iran’s missile program is unaffected by the P5+1 nuclear agreement, and Iranian leaders have stated in the plainest language possible that Iran will tolerate no limitations of any kind on ballistic missile development.

The Persians, after all, invented chess. If the paws—the Shi’ite forces on the ground—have limited room to maneuver, one seeks to control the center of the board remotely with rooks and bishops. Those are Iran’s missiles, drones, and WMD capacity. That is as great a concern to Israel as Iran’s prospective development of nuclear weapons. As Lt. Col. Michael Segall wrote for the Jerusalem Center for Public Affairs:

The rockets, drones and missiles will be a major part of Iran’s growing assistance to its proxy terror organizations and other clients in the Middle East. Iran wants to recast the region in its own image while continuing the process, already in full swing, of ejecting the United States from it. The rockets and missiles are likely to strike U.S. allies in the region (the Houthis are already firing rockets at Saudi territory) and, in the future, the more Iran’s confidence grows, to limit U.S. freedom of movement in the Persian Gulf and in the area of the Bab el-Mandeb Strait while exacting a high price for the U.S. in any military conflict with Iran.

Iran does not need nuclear warheads to inflict catastrophic damage on an adversary. It already has sufficient radioactive material for numerous radiological weapons, or “dirty bombs,” that can be delivered by its existing missile force, as John R. Haines of the Foreign Policy Research Institute noted in a July 4 report. Dirty bombs aimed at a country like Israel with high urban population concentrations could be devastating. Israel has one important advantage in a radiological exchange: it obtains half its water from desalination. Radioactive material in the national water supply could be a game-ender, and Iran is inherently more vulnerable in this case than Israel.

Under the P5+1 agreement, the Middle East will become a continuously morphing chessboard, as Iran deploys ever-more-sophisticated missiles with every-more-terrifying payloads, using its pockets of Shi’ite support to base its missiles as far forward as possible against Israel as well as Saudi Arabia. In chess terms, Iran is moving knights to the center of the board. The balance of power between Sunni and Shia envisioned by the United States is an evanescent mirage, as both sides engage in a deadly high-tech chess game to obtain decisive advantage. As the chess maxim has it, the threat is mightier than the execution: every new Iranian threat will prompt an escalating response from the Sunni side. It is idiocy to believe that this sort of escalation is manageable. Iran cannot establish a Shia empire, but it can assert its power past the threshold at which its neighbors kick over the chessboard.

Russia evidently hopes that a resurgent Iran will act as a check against the Sunni jihadists that plague its southern borders. On the contrary: Iran’s growing power will prompt Saudi Arabia and Turkey to redouble their support for Sunni proxy warriors, and to be far less selective about whom they support. The flow of arms and money to Sunni jihadists fighting Iran in Iraq, Syria and Lebanon will increase, and some of that will find its way into the hands of jihadists in the Russian Caucasus.

China has sold missiles to both Saudi and Iran (more quantity to Iran, higher quality to Saudi Arabia). Beijing’s view of the rapidly-shifting situation on the ground in Western Asia does not appear to be fully developed, but its fall-back position has been to rely on balance of power. The default view at the Peoples Liberation Army is that a nuclear exchange between Iran and Israel is unthinkable because Israel has sufficient nuclear weapons to destroy Iran.

That is not the way a strategic conflict would present itself: What happens if Hezbollah puts radiological weapons onto GPS-guided missiles and fires a few dozen of them at Tel Aviv? Israel’s anti-missile defences may or may not be sufficient to destroy a large number of guided missiles (as opposed to the ordinary ballistic missiles that Hamas fired from Gaza during the summer of 2014). How will Israel respond to an Iranian radiological weapon delivered from Lebanon? Electromagnetic Pulse (EMP) weapons are often mentioned. And how would Iran respond to the Israeli response? The result may be an extended interruption of Persian Gulf oil supplies and the collapse of China’s economy.

When Iran finally breaks out and assembles a deliverable nuclear bomb is now the least important question. Radiological weapons may already give it something of a Strangelovian “Doomsday Machine,” and its myriad missile installations in the region—from Lebanon to Yemen—make it increasingly difficult for any available countermeasures to interdict the delivery of such weapons.

Of course, it is possible that Iran will choose to behave itself, and accept a rapid and humiliating national decline. Iran, to be sure, can choose to sink into national decline, as its population aged 60 years and over rises from 7.4% in 2010 to 30% in 2050, and its median age jumps from 27 years to 42 years. Between 17% and 25% of Iranian women report that they are infertile (compared, for example to 4%-6% of women in South Asia), due to “genital infections and environmental variables, such as dietary factors, [and] low family income.”  Iran apparently has the highest STD infection rate in the world. Educated Iranian women choose not to have children; many uneducated women cannot have children. Iran’s belated, panicky efforts to raise its fertility rate above the 1.6 children per female reported in 2012 are unlikely to have much effect.

History is full of examples of self-styled empires that chose to pass into senescence, but I cannot think of an example of one that did so before it was defeated. After the agreement with the P5+1, Iran feels more confident than ever, which is to say, more megalomaniacal. If it were to choose a slow decline as opposed to imperial self-assertion, it would be an historical first. As Damon Runyon would say, that’s not the way to bet.



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  • usebrain

    Reading this some zionist can relax for a while , but not always

  • Jay

    The above highfalutin’ kvetch-a-thon notwithstanding, I’ll take Iran over the ossified Gulf oilygarchs and their sectarian fanatic tools any day.

  • Che Guvera

    Here comes again the Zionist… When your brain want to have an headache then you should read Goldman’s article otherwise you can conveniently skip it

  • Che Guvera

    It just gives you an headache.

  • usebrain

    for sure you are wrong

  • known_unknowns

    w regards to pakistan, they have already signed on 2 China’s new silk road project so to have a war and/or an unstable iran would affect it’s ability to generate jobs and riches for the gov’t. hence, when the saudi’s came asking for pakistani soldiers to fight the houthi’s in yemen, pakistan diplomatically said no as it would cause more issues with the silk road project.

    besides that, if the pakistani’s haven’t accepted the saudi money in the 80’s , i doubt that there would be such a big divide between the sunni/shia in pakistan, let alone the extremism that can threaten to breakup the country…

  • Janek

    Iran is and always was (ancient history and revenge) one of the countries on the Goldman hit list, there are still other countries. Greece is not the top priority with Greece they can live with, with Iran not. Vitriol poured by Goldman on Iran is easily explained and understood in middle eastern context: Israel aligned itself with Middle Age, medieval, backwards and regressive monarchies and dictatorships in the Middle East and elsewhere such as Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, India, Pakistan etc. and in general Sunni Arabs in the Middle East and ISIS of course who else. I think a little explanation is needed at this point: Iranian people in general do not consider themselves Arabs hence the animosity towards them: Persian does not equal Arab, and there is more money to be made with and on Arabs than it ever can be with and on Persians.

    This whole process took some time to implement and took more than three decades and naivety to the limits of absurdity of the so called West to complete and to come to fruition. This in turn is the consequence of the ‘switch’ from the so called ‘progressive’ ideologies in the West to the neoliberal and ‘conservative’ ones. The real victim of this ‘switch’ is no other then the so called West itself, USA included, who pays at the current time the price for the neoliberal and neoconservative racket.

    The next ‘switch’, who could have any doubts about it: hit and ‘switch’ tactics and strategy, is in the making and Goldman even openly and on all frequencies broadcasts about it.The current politics in Globalistan proves it. The new ‘switch’ will be and already is to the East Asia. The poor now and sucked to the bone the so called West will be left high and dry with all kinds of existential and social problems so Goldman of course will be able to brag about them and remind you how foolish you are.

    As the present economic situation and politics in the Globalistan shows the neoliberal and neoconservative ideologies are just synonyms for slavery and raw exploitation in the XXI century. This should be of no surprise to anybody with no more than three working neurons in his/her head: Middle Eastern regimes and the so called ‘democracies’ there are going back to their true roots and ancient practices and already, for the last couple of decades, are handsomely profiteering from neoliberal and neoconservarive neo-slavery racket.

  • ASA

    Ahhh … the neocons’ wet dreams of perpetual conflicts in the Middle East … they will go to any length to make it happen. War or not, they will continue their manipulative tirades to instigate hatred, division, sectarianism, domination, and abomination.

  • mijikai

    “to instigate hatred, division, sectarianism, domination, and abomination” ….

    … no outside help is needed.

  • mijikai

    You’re neo-verbose.

  • mijikai

    “many uneducated women cannot have children.”

    How the hell do they manage that?

    Perhaps Iran does have something to teach us.

  • Biased

    I completely agree with your position. Goldman needlessly drags Pakistan into every argument. Pakistan has no irreconcilable dispute with Iran. Why would Pakistan pose any threat to Iran while it has frozen conflict in Kashmir with Indians? I believe he confuses UAE airforce with Saudi airforce when he states that it is a strong airforce. The Saudi bombing in Yemen by Pakistani standards is inaccurate and poorly prosecuted-so do not pin everything on Pakistan. There are some ex-MIL Paks in Bahrain, but that is about it. The Arabs are going to have to face the Persians on their own, Pakistanis are engaged elsewhere in remaking trade geography in Central Asia.

  • originalone

    Without Iran being the bogeyman, the Israeli firsters will be marginalized, as will Nethanyahoo, to be blamed. Who will they pick to take Iran’s place?

  • tinhatter

    Something else to consider in the ME. Turkey is now bombing Kurdish positions in Iraq and Syria. How will the Kurdish Govt in Erbil react to this aggression ? Will they export their oil via Iran and help the PKK against the Turks. The war in Mesopotamia has a long way to go before it gets any better.

  • Santa Isabelle

    STDs that cause infertility.

  • Lion Heart

    When Israel puts their nukes on the table, they can have a say.

    Until then, netanyahu is just blowing foul wind

  • Lion Heart

    Netanyahu wanted “international Community” to DEAL with Iranian nuclear issues .

    Nuclear issues has now been DEALT to the satisfaction of “whole world”.

    Now “international community” wants to concentrate on following two issues:
    1. De-colonisation of Palestine
    2. Israel to put their nukes on table…so that we can inspect them.

  • teevee

    wow a long winded load of crap

  • Lion Heart

    David Goldman is a US citizen…….but Bhadra Kumar referred him as “an Israeli”.

    Bhadra Kumar is a diplomat….he says in a subtle way……….he just wanted to say that this man is an “Israeli-firster”………..for him Israeli interest comes first.

  • Lion Heart

    On 11 Sep 13, Netanyahu said (quoting Hillel):
    “If I am not for myself, who will be for me?”.

    Its practical application, he said, “is that Israel will always be able to protect itself, and will protect itself, with its own forces, against all threats.”

    Obama finally called his bluff…….and made it clear that US troops are not going to die for “Israeli interest”..

    If Netanyahu wants to take “unilateral action” in accordance with his quote (dated 11 sep 13)….he is welcome to invade Iran —–and face consequences…

    now it is time for Netanyahu to prove that “he will for himself”…..no one is going to support this war mongrel

  • Lion Heart

    1. On one hand world sees
    a. Iranian President Rouhani donating 400.000 dollar to Tehran’s Jewish hospital (Haaretz, 6 feb 14)

    2. On other hand world notices:
    a. Netanyahu massacring 500+ Children in Gaza, July 14
    b. Yehuda Glick calling for destruction of Islamic holy sites
    c. MK Miri Regev notoriously calling African asylum seekers in Israel as a “cancer”—-Huffington Post 24 May 12
    d. Israel demolishing Palestinians homes

    That makes pretty clear…why Israel is so jelous of Iraniian president Rouhani

  • The StrawMan

    Bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran
    *Yawn*

    And what’s with the weird fixation on Pakistani jet pilots?

  • d’Artagnan

    What Zionist rubbish shows how desperate the Zionist criminals are.

  • d’Artagnan

    He is a Zionist shill so what did you expect?

  • davidpgoldman

    I am not a shill. I am a principal.

  • davidpgoldman

    The neocon dream was of Middle Eastern democracy–hence the nation-building in Iraq and Afghanistan, the overthrow of Qaddafi and Mubarak, etc. I thought this foolish and hence am personal non grata among the neocons (Weekly Standard, Commentary, etc.). My view is that American foreign policy in the Middle East should be restricted to damage limitation from the inevitable decline of most of the region’s nations and peoples. Partition Syria and Iraq to limit ethnic/sectarian conflict, create a Kurdish state, stop Iran’s hegemonic pretensions (a few dozen bunker busters is all that’s required), stop the Saudis from funding Wahabi jidadist loonies, and so forth. These are modest and achievable objectives.

  • Janek

    Sorry, Mr. Goldman I do not want to be to picky or to rude, but you have ‘lost’ somewhere, somehow 6% in your table in the column for “Percent of World Shia Population”.

  • Janek

    You wrote: “The neocon dream was of Middle Eastern democracy–hence the nation-building in Iraq and Afghanistan, the overthrow of Qaddafi and Mubarak, etc.”
    This is a classic oxymoron in all its ‘glory’ or shuld I say gory.

  • davidpgoldman
  • davidpgoldman

    A few hundred children in Gaza died because Hamas used them as human shields, not because Israel massacred them. What I want to avoid is a scenario in which Israel is forced to kill 80 million Iranians, which is much easier to do than most people think.

  • davidpgoldman

    The remaining 6% is spread over numerous countries in tiny numbers.

  • davidpgoldman

    I don’t disagree. The Sunni establishment in Pakistan kills a few hundred Shia a year to keep them intimidated. There is a possibility that a Pax Sinica will stabilize the region. To my knowledge, I was the first analyst to raise this possibility, back in 2013: http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/MID-02-281013.html
    But I don’t think China has a well-developed policy yet. We should remember that before World War I, the consensus was that economic interdependence and prosperity made war impossible. If the Iranians behave themselves, there won’t be a war.

  • Dan Kuhn

    No Mr. Goldman, you are a shill, for perpetual war. In reading your articles one gets a pretty good understanding about why the Jews have been at war, starting new wars, or getting massacred, or massacreing some other people ever since they climbed down from the trees.

    Do you people ever think, just for once, of the possibility of giving peace a chance? Just once in your long dismal history, trying to live in peace with your neighbours. Just for once living in a country and not trying to take the entire country for yourselves and away from the original inhabitants?Just once not trying to crucifify the world you inhabit on a cross of usury and then war? Did you Mr. Goldman ever wonder why your people are so hated in the world, then just step back and take a good close look at how Jews behave in the world. War, usury and extracting that pound of flesh permeates your entire culture. Just look at you actions in Palistine, a microcosm of what the Jews would do to the rest of humanity given the chance. The Iranians will not doom you in the end, you are doing a fine job on that matter all by yourselves.

  • davidpgoldman

    Saudi Arabia has 150 F-15s (and another 84 on order), 80 Tornados and and 50 Typhoons. UAE has 79 F-16’s. I don’t know what Pakistan will do; neither does Pakistan at the moment.

  • davidpgoldman

    Might be an oxymoron, but that was the neocon idea. See https://www.aei.org/publication/democratic-realism/. And they really did believe it.

  • Dan Kuhn

    The decline of Middle Eastern countries with a very large helping hand from the US and Israeli Governments and their militaries.

    It´s like the Ratting Game in the Middle Ages. At this point the dog is killing the rats pretty much at will although the rats are learning that they have to fight back. Beware Mr. Goldman, of the time when the rats realize that their is no escape from you and your kind, they will turn en mass and that will be the end of you.

  • davidpgoldman

    Usury, schmoozery. Israel makes its money in high tech, not finance. 90% of Palestinians are under the role of the corrupt and brutal PA, not the Israelis.

    Jews, though, are good at money, and here’s our secret:

    http://www.atimes.com/atimes/World/WOR-02-120215.html

  • Sarastro92

    Sorry Dave. Neo-Con Likud policy is best articulated in “Operation Clean Break” aka the Bernard Lewis Plan, ie “Secure the Realm (for Israel)” by burning down the neighborhood. The Israeli plan — with US consent and participation– is to overthrow (mostly) secular regimes throughout the ME with tacit (if not overt) alliances among the radical jihadis and use US military power to reduce the region to smouldering rubble presided over the Jihadi war lords.

    And that’s exactly what’s been done.

  • davidpgoldman

    You are a paranoid loonie. Israel objected to Obama’s overthrow of Mubarak and is now allied to Egypt under al-Sisi. Security cooperation has never been better.

  • davidpgoldman

    I think Israel should forego US aid — it’s basically a subsidy for US defense contractors, and it amounts to 1% of Israel’s GDP. I also think it derogatory to liken our Arab cousins to rats. That said, is it Israel’s fault that more than 200,000 are dead and 10 million displaced from their homes in Syria? Or that 1 million died in the Iran-Iraq war? You have levels of mass killing approaching genocide in the Arab world. No-one I know in Israel except Sharansky supported what Krauthammer called “democratic globalism,” and he’s not that important.

  • davidpgoldman

    Nothing would please me more than to revive the Persian-Israeli entente that prevailed under the Shah.

  • Dale R Evans

    Your opening declaration that delusion and fantasy shaped cultural identity and the dynamic of relations with others was an excellent starting point for your assessment of conditions in the Middle East. However, you jumped from your foundational statement to Middle East politics too quickly. Your reasoning became steadily more diluted and less compelling.
    The truth is all cultures must have at their core a definition of reality and human identity that is accepted by the population as absolute truth and thus capable of establishing common values and consistent behavior across the population. The culture becomes expansive when that core is transferred to succeeding generations subconsciously as the unquestioned nature of reality. The longer this expansive state endures the more other population groups appropriate it.
    Humans understand their need well enough, but anytime a population group wills to establish its own absolute it creates only delusion. If the delusion is developed in relative isolation it can and will become proportionately destructive of others and destructive of self.
    Cultures that construct their reality on a transcendent God may indeed go through a period of self-destruction but will have the foundation to redefine themselves and thus maintain a relationship with God. Israel is a good example. It began as an enslaved tribe, was reformed in the desert, expressed its new understanding of reality during the period of the Judges, mutated to a kingdom like others, and then became Judaism. Each of these iterations were different yet each acknowledged God. The history of Christianity and Islam are similar.
    The most serious threats to earth and the human race came from ideologies drafted by humans that completely rejected any deference to God. Colonial Britain, communism, and fascism are prime examples. Using this model, currently the two most serious threats to the human race are American secular ideology and Zionism.

  • Daniel Berg

    Do you honestly believe that Israel can kill 80 million Iranians?

  • Daniel Berg

    You are right in this,

  • davidpgoldman

    Technologically it isn’t challenging, as you can verify by checking public sources (I do not have nor do I wish to have access to nonpublic sources). A few EMP bursts would destroy Iran’s power grid and everything electronic from digital watches to car engines and electric generators. The IRGC has a few sites “hardened” against EMP, and these would be taken out by small tactical nukes. Israel would not have to use its H-bombs (inefficient and messy). Subsistence farming might survive in a few nooks and crannies, but the vast majority of the population would starve to death in a few weeks. My nightmare scenario is that 100,000 Israelis die in a dirty bomb or similar attack, and that Israeli retaliation effectively wipes out human life in Iran. As I wrote, the problem isn’t breakout time to a fissile device, but the availability of large amounts of radioactive material. Obama had promised in 2013 to prevent uranium enrichment in Iran. Giving up on that “red line” makes the P5+1 agreement utterly useless.

  • Daniel Berg

    Kurdish Govt in Erbil is a family dynasty and belongs to Barzani family , most of Iraq Kurdistan belongs to this family, the other family dynasty with less power is Talabani dynasty, Both these family have good relation with Turkey, they do not support PKK # which has some kind of marxist ideology # but are not so happy with bombing too,

  • Janek

    This proves that they, the neocons, are deranged lunatics.

  • Janek

    BS.

  • Janek

    Iranians had different opinion and have had enough of shah and his ilk. Anyway it is in the past. I think something went wrong with the ‘organizers’ of the ayatollah’s revolution and that is why there is so much animosity between them and the neoliberal-neocon racket coalition.

  • Janek

    You dreaming Mr. Goldman and keep on dreaming. Pax Sinica will do no such think simply because it does not have ‘the right stuff’. China is a neoliberal bubble and all what it has it is what was siphoned from the West by the neoliberal racket perpetrators.

  • davidpgoldman

    They aren’t deranged lunatics. I know most of them personally–have for many years. They are well-meaning do-gooders who thought they would build democracy around the world after the collapse of Communism. They mistook Iraq for Poland. But they were surely wrong, very wrong indeed, and did a great deal of damage. I’ve been warning about this for 15 years, which is why you don’t find my byline in the Weekly Standard.

  • Janek

    Maybe, but you should have had take that under consideration and indicate it making an entry in your table.

  • Janek

    That is his, Goldman’s, wet dream.

  • Dan Kuhn

    Finally something that we can agree on. US aid has so many strings attached , and indeed it is a subsidy to US defence contractors that every nation that recieves it should just return the cheque with a polite no thanks letter attached.

  • Dan Kuhn

    Jeez the PA is building illegal settlements in the West Bank and every tow years bombing Gaza flat? I did not even know that the PA had an airforce.

  • Janek

    I think many Polish people would have some objections to what you think as Polish success. It is not that rosy as the neoliberal cast in Poland presents it. Success in Poland was mostly reserved for former red and pink communist party nomenclature and mostly them benefited thanks to the inside information they have had. The Polish success is more and more questioned in Poland itself after 25 years of neoliberal dictatorship.

  • haha

    David Goldman’s biased goggles puts him off mark by a long shot. Terrible analysis I must say.

  • davidpgoldman

    One can argue the point, but the World Bank claims that real GDP per capita more than doubled between 1991 and 2013 ($4,400 to $10,800). Poland also has a functioning, robust democracy.

  • davidpgoldman

    Zionism rejects deference to God? Not where I daven.

  • Val Cocora

    I cannot help but go back to the cause of all this: if I was a Persian muslim praying to an arab invented god who speaks only arabic, I would not have delusions of grandeur about my status in the ummah.
    all non-arab muslims are second hand muslims. for them to think they can outdo their arab masters is suicide. iranians should stick to what they know best: being second hand muslims, eating from the floor and fighting the wars of their arab masters to the last iranian soldier.

  • Val Cocora

    ksa and iran are two faces of the same coin.

  • Zain Khan

    You should be in m/h hospital Mr Goldman and shame on AT for allowing loonies like you who glorify wars and destruction.

  • davidpgoldman

    Me, glorify war and destruction? I’m trying to avoid war and destruction.

  • Aimee Sahlsteen

    because they still do dogfights?….

    http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2015/07/28/an-affair-of-the-mind/

    I don’t mind linking to the Belmont Club. Richard Fernandez has a fantastic mind, writes from a different perspective than our David, and comes up with many of the same conclusions. Which should tell you something….’>………

  • davidpgoldman

    No-one regretted the fall of Mubarak more than the Israelis, who thought that the US was nuts in this case. You’re clueless.

  • Lion Heart

    Nazi and Zio-Nazi are two faces of the same coin.

  • Lion Heart

    You are a shill. Full stop. I will fully agree with Dan Kuhan and d’Artagnan.

    Zionist lobby incited war against Iraq, in which more than 1 million Iraqis lost their life———-Zionist lust for blood is not yet quenched————they want more blood—–this time Iranian blood.

    1. Mahathir Mohammad said on
    16 Oct 2003:

    “Today the Jews rule the world by proxy. They get others to fight and die
    for them”

    2. If Israel wants to attack Iran—–let Netanyahu attack Iran at his own risk.

    3. Why should be US citizen die to advance Jewish interest?—–Let Zionists die for their own cause—-we will not mind even if 6 millions of them (people like David Goldman) get killed.

  • Janek

    Yes, functioning, but barely; rather boarder case. The neoliberal so called transformation did nothing for Poland. Poland was in the tail of Europe and still is there at the same place, it did not do any gap closing to the other European countries. Some other countries did much more and much faster for example Germany in 10 years after WW2 were already European power house and did not need 25 years for that or just to stay in the same place. Poland did not built robust democratic institutions. Corruption and nepotism are strong particularly in political parties and among politicians. For all practical purposes Poland is still one party system and functional pluralism is thoroughly missing there.

  • davidpgoldman

    Shill means a hired pitch man, ignoramus. No-one has to pay me to support Israel. I’m not a Zionist shill, just a Zionist. But as it happens, Arik Sharon (then prime minister of Israel) thought the Iraq invasion was pointless. BTW, I don’t want Iranian blood: I just want to drop a few dozen bunker-busters on Iranian nuclear installations with minimum casualties. And I want to help the long-suffering Iranian people overthrow the oppressive theocratic regime. Then Israel and Iran can return to their historically cordial relations.

  • davidpgoldman

    Rabbi Glick never called for destruction of Muslim holy sites — that is an utter lie. He just wants to pray on the Temple Mount. So do I. Why shouldn’t I have the right to play there, same as the Muslims? I don’t want to stop Muslims from praying there.

  • Lion Heart

    Oxford dictionary (Definition of Shill):
    A person who pretends to give an impartial endorsement of something in which they themselves have an interest.

    1. Your are NOT an “impartial”….your “interest” are that of an “Israeli FIRSTER”.

    2. You are a pathetic LIAR…you have not changed much since 1543 when Martin Luther wrote “Jews and their LIES”…

    Here are few of the references :

    Sharon urges America to bring down Saddam (The Telegraph 17 Aug 2002)

    and here is what NETANYAHU had said:
    “If you take out Saddam’s regime, I guarantee you that it will have enormous positive reverberations on the region… The task and the great opportunity and challenge is not merely to effect the ouster of the regime, but also to transform the region.” – See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2015/02/netanyahu-wrong-pushed#sthash.N2964fAE.dpuf

    So your LUST for Iranian blood (under the SAME OLD pretext of regime change) is not new.

  • Brabantian

    Appalling thing about ‘engaging Iran’ is not bogus ‘nuclear’ worries, but rather Iran’s real horrors: The floggings, stonings, judicial amputations, tortorous hangings … which in Iran are particularly gruesome. All hangings are actually slow deaths by strangulation (15 minutes to 1 hour to die, but long rope drop in some countries can induce coma by neck-breaking, however not reliably). Petite women are known to suffer & strangle much longer in Iranian-style hanging, often done by rope from a crane. Other Iranian women are buried alive up to their necks before stoning to death.

    Muslim theologian Tariq Ramadan calls for an immediate end to all forms of bodily judicial penalties and executions, but Abrahamic holy books, Bible-Talmud-Qur’an, all sell ugly horrors, hand-chopping, flogging, stoning, hanging, crucifying, slavery-and-conquest … whereas ancient Asian nations began abolishing the death penalty well over 1000 years ago, starting with Hindu-Buddhist India, and at points Daoist China and Buddhist Japan as well, long before the European ‘Enlightenment’.

  • alan

    very funny.

  • Jay

    Time to make aliyah, I’d say.

  • alan

    again, very funny

  • alan

    such a nice guy you are, mr. goldman

  • Jay

    Agreed.

    Protestant lunatics have often viewed themselves as the “New Israel.”

  • Biased

    I am well aware of the order of battle pertaining. The Saudi problem is not equipment but experienced combat pilots, and it shows in their Yemen campaign. Which BTW Pakistan politely sidestepped. My reference to UAE AF was in response your inaccurate assertion about Pakistanis piloting the Saudi F-15s. Pakistanis fly F-16s and are seasoned viper aviators. They used to have a secondment program with UAE on vipers.
    How do you know that Pakistanis do not know how they wish to proceed?
    My point stands: Invoking Pakistan as the bogeyman in implausible theories does not make them more coherent.
    Lastly, you “mis-underestimate” the Chinese shadow in the Indus Valley at your own peril….to borrow from a famous Texan!

  • rainierwolfcastle

    I remember watching a great video where the ex-President Ahmadinejad was thanked warmly by the Jewish community leaders living in Iran for their continued safety and well-being. They thanked him even though he has been misquoted as wanting to destroy Israel, a fallacy which I feel is the cornerstone for your sentiments to unilaterally destroy a sovereign nation’s nuclear infrastructure (which in this day and age exposes your Paleolithic mentality). Iran is not anti-Jew. Iran is anti the fabrication that is the Israeli state. It is illegitimate. The only collective delusion is among the scribes of the Balfour Declaration of 1917. That’s the only fantasy. A wave of immigration of non-Semitic Jews to the Holy Land, displacing the local Semitic Arab population does not a real country make. Israel is an occupying political entity, settled by peoples who in a vast majority have no ethnic ties or relationship to the Holy Land. Their religion “Judaism” or whatever the term is, does not give them the mandate to colonize other people’s land, let alone commit war crimes on a routine basis with the excuse of existential necessity. Certainly the nation state of Israel is the greatest delusion the Middle East has to offer, Persian fantasies notwithstanding.

  • Dale R Evans

    Certainly there are people who truly believe they are both Zionist and Jewish just as there are a substantial number of Americans who truly believe they are both Christian and embrace American secular ideals. The embrace of conflicting ideals can be sustained as long as there is no direct challenge that forces the embrace of one ideal at the expense of the other. Gay marriage was one such challenge to religious ideals and is intended to force Christianity to subordinate its values to those of secular America.. Zionism is similarly forcing Judaism to “adjust” Jewish history to make it compatible with Zionists ideals. When two secular forces fail, and they will both certainly fail, Judaism and Christianity will reform themselves and continue.

  • Lion Heart

    When you spoke of “Human Shield”, you reminded me of Warsaw Ghettos.

    Jews were using their terror campaign against Germany from Warsaw ghettos using their own children as HUMAN SHIELD.

    If those ret#ards did not want to get killed——they should not have fired “rockets”–

    sorry…in that case it was not “rocket” but Hand Grenades, Molotov Coktails, Land mines and
    Machine Guns that were fired by Jews on Germans.

    Jews should thank the Hitler on hands and knees for not simply slaughtering the lot of them

  • Lion Heart

    Henry
    Ford, American automobile manufacturer, said:

    “Jews were behind each and every war in Europe, during last 2000 years”.

    Henry Ford was not an anti-semitic…he was just stating the fact in PLAIN ENGLISH

  • Lion Heart

    Zionists threat of nuke is a matter of concern to all civilised world.

    That is the very reason world wants Israel to put their nuke on table………….

    before talking about Iran…..

    World wants to offer EAXCTLY same deal to Israel (as was offered to Iran)—-and Netanyahu is running away.

    Israel has NO RIGHT to talk about Iran nuclear deal if it is not ready to discuss its own nukes

  • Lion Heart

    Where was your “Temple Mount”?

    Challenge to all 13 million Jews to tell me PRECISE location of that temple using following
    references:

    1. From Jewish scripture
    2. From Non-Jewish HISTORIANS
    3. From Archeological evidence.

    Before making claim of Muslim’s or Christian’s place of worship……..you have to prove your claim

  • Carlos Echarri

    You speak well as Spengler, I mean Oswal Spengler spoke, in the line of decline of civilizations. The decline and fall of West Civilization, like the cronological line of Toynbee. But in the world of post cold war the key is geopolitical. So I would like to put you some questions in the line of Carl Schmitt and others, Mackinder and others. The idea of grossraum in conflicting continent-size opponents. The Eurasia, European, China, India “empires”, or contintenta spaces as Carl Schmitt would put. It is nothing of the like in Middle East. Do you think that Iran is traying to be The Empire State of a regional federation? One needs a power in military and economic to be such an Empire State, like Germany for Europe, Rusia for Eurasia, New York to The States, England for what British Empire was, etc. If Iran is traying to do so, what is waiting for Israel, could it be the Empire State of a semitic world, ruling an araba plus jewish comunity, like the entente agaisnt imperial powers in first world war? Iran is what Germany was, and Daryush Shayegan puts it very wisely, a feudal country, that has reached postmodernity without bourgeoise revolution, a feudal minded theocratic, apocaliptic, country against a bourgeosie, capitalist minded Israel, very like Britain in the first worl war. Land and Sea, as Carl Schmit said. Thalasocracy against Land Empire. The anglo sphere of the isle of Mahan against the hierarchic power of a German like Empire.

  • Jack Temujin

    Notice Syria, the second most Shia-populous country is conspicuously missing from the list.

  • tinhatter

    DG. There is much that you write that is prescient. However, I do not understand your obsession with Iran. It seems to me that since 1979 Iran has played up the REAL revolutionary Islamic country. Sure it has caused Israel some grief, but the main antagonist is Sunni Saudi. The provoking of Israel is just to galvanise the Muslim Street that here we have a Muslim country standing up for the Palestinians.
    I work in the oil patch, and the few Persians and Kurds I have met agree on a few things; they hate Arabs, then Turks with the Jews only a passing mention (respect followed by ‘control America’). Most of these Persians also are only nominal Muslims (a good outcome of 30yrs of theocracy)
    The Israelis (and the civilised world) are better off letting them have their 30 years war, if it spills over by all means nuc them.

  • davidpgoldman

    There is a minor difference: the Nazis planned to exterminate every Jew in the world, while Israel unilaterally withdrew from Gaza and handed it over to Palestinian rule, at which point Hamas butchered the PA rulere and turned Gaza into a platform for attacks on Israel. You can’t abide the existence of a Jewish State because its presence is a constant reminder of your own failure. Sadly, we can’t stop you from failing. But Israel’s educational system will change your women. That’s why the Palestinians are having fewer children. The advance of modernity is inevitable.

  • davidpgoldman

    After the Holocaust, no more Mr. Nice Guy.

  • tinhatter

    Thank-you Daniel. I was aware that the Kurds are not united. But if my communist/fascist/Islamic kith and kin were being bombed, I would stand by them. Blood is thicker than ….
    I am no expert, but of the Iranians/Kurds I have met, there is more respect than for the Arabs/Turks. As the new Mid East landscape should be decided by it’s own people, I hope the Kurds will get their own state.

  • davidpgoldman

    Go and tour the new excavations at the City of David and see precisely what the Torah describes. Temple denial is a very recent and very silly innovation on the Arab side. Your compulsion to invent a self consoling history is yet another proof that you will go extinct in the modern world. It is what Kubler-Ross calls denial in the face of inevitable death. You are dying. Get used to it.

  • davidpgoldman

    Nothing would please me more than a revival of the old cordial relationship between Iran and Israel, but it probably would require a different regime.

  • davidpgoldman

    Some Iranian leaders have that ambition. The point of my essay is that the idea is whimsical.

  • davidpgoldman

    Read our liturgy. We have prayed thrice daily to return to Zion for 2000 years. Whatever are you talking about?

  • davidpgoldman

    The Persians are much smarter than the Arabs (Iran has one of the world’s best electrical engineering universities in the world, for example). The problem is that smart people, when they go crazy, can be dangerous. Nobody was smarter than the Germans in 1933. Someone should tell the Persians that there’s no way Hitler could have lost that war, if only he’d gotten the Jews on his side.

  • Jay

    The all-purpose excuse.

  • davidpgoldman

    Well, now: we have a lot if people including numerous posters on this forum who are sorry the Nazis didn’t finish the job and who want to destroy the State of Israel. I’d say we had legitimate grounds for concern, and good reason to make such people fear us. They won’t like us, whatever we do.

  • davidpgoldman

    East Asia is sui generis. China invented and reinvented itself. What does China have to do with neoliberalism?

  • davidpgoldman

    You think the Alawites are Shia? There are fewer than 3 million of them in any event.

  • davidpgoldman

    Thiose lunatics created the most powerful country in the world. The lunatics in the Muslim world wallow in backwardness. Must be a different kind of lunatic.

  • davidpgoldman

    Pretty successful delusion, nicht wahr? Jews have had a continuous presence in the Holy Land since the fall of the Second Temple, and Jerusalem was a majority Jewish city by the 1840s. This non-Semitic canard is pure nonsense. We speak the same language and study the same Scripture our ancestors did before there were Christians or Muslims. Israel has the highest birth rate in the industrial world, highest rate of technological innovation, one of the highest scores for quality of life. You’re just jealous. If you want to be successful and happy like we are, we’ll tell you the secret. But it will cost you.

  • Val Cocora

    then goldman must have done something right.

  • Val Cocora

    a book is only as good as the people following it.
    not many Christian beheadings, hand cutting and stoning, are there?
    on the other hand, islam uses these punishments liberally, because it is written in the quranus and muslims take it seriously.

  • davidpgoldman

    Who says they are illegal? The West Bank has had indeterminate legal status since it was illegally annexed by Jordan in 1948. Israel has a legitimate claim to Judea and Samaria under international law. See for example http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/209047/staking-out-israels-lawful-claims-west-bank-ari-lieberman
    With the chaos in Syria and Lebanon, Jordan doesn’t want the West Bank, and no-one is going to hand it over to Hamas (with ISIS hot on Hamas’ heels). It will de facto go to Israel, and eventually de jure.

  • davidpgoldman

    Good suggestion — done.

  • Dirk

    Goldman’s view of history is that it is a breeding competition, but fails to point out that his poster-child Israël is also grappling with problems of fertility and population composition – the secular productive population has declining fertility while the orthodox unproductive population has a rising fertility. It is a recipe for social disaster which already lead to mass protests in 2011. Israël started as an enlightened state but is descending into a typical Middle Eastern state with an enlightened capital (Tel Aviv) and a ‘bearded countryside’ composed of impoverished religious fanatics.

  • Dirk

    Germany did not loose the war because of madness, but because of its geographical location which favors the building of anti-German coalitions.

  • davidpgoldman

    Pech gehabt? Read Andrew Roberts’ “The Storm of War.” Hitler was a jerk, as the ditty goes. Suppose that Hitler hadn’t declared war on the US after Pearl Harbor, and instead offered to mediate between the US and Japan? The US never would have declared war on Germany (whichi we did after Hitler declared war on us). That’s just one of Hitler’s fatal blunders.

  • Jack Temujin

    LOL really? I thought Israel makes billions in US tax payers money and scamming off of money due to Palestinians. Selling mollies, murdered Palestinians organs on the side too, and what’s left of tourism revenue.

    Jews are even better at scamming money.

  • davidpgoldman

    Read the newspapers, nutball. Then read Elizabeth Kubler-Ross to understand why you cling to these paranoid fantasies. You are becoming extinct.

  • Dale R Evans

    The issue is not the Jewish desire to return to Zion. The issue is Zionism as conceived in the late 19th Century. Those who were the driving force behind Zionism were firmly committed to a secular ideology and wanted no part of traditional Judaism. Indeed they initially intended the language of the new Zionist culture to be something other then Hebrew. In addition they wanted to extinguish perceived Jewish passivity toward reoccurring persecution by the cultural elites of Europe. It was only after the 1967 war that Ultra Orthodox Jews believed God embraced the return.
    A better example of the rift emerging between Zionists and Judaism is the demand of a party in the current ruling coalition that the Ultra Orthodox be required to serve in the military. And yes, that party is Zionist and secular.
    Don’t get me wrong. I love Jewish history and consider centuries of the Hebrew experience it an integral part of my Christian belief.

  • Jack Temujin

    Nutball? I don’t watch ZNN or read Jew York Times or any other Jewspaper. I am not the one who’s about to become extinct soon you idiot.

  • Jack Temujin

    So, you’re a bona fide shill. You wanna drop a few bombs heh? Go for it talk to your boss NuthingYAHOO and see what happens to the puny little sandbox called Israel. You and other Zio-terrorists are going back to days when there were only two people.

  • Jack Temujin

    Wrong. Zio-Nazis are far worse than the Nazis.

  • davidpgoldman

    There always was a religious dimension to Zionism, and the leading 20th-century exponent of religious Zionism, Rav Avraham Kook, is far more influential in today’s Israel than, say, Herzl. In fact, four of the Hasidic sects (in addition to the Lubavitcher) are sending their young men to military service, under special conditions, so the rift is being resolved. There are a few nutcases like the Satmar Hasidim who still are anti-Zionist. But a big story in Israel during this generation is a shift towards religion on the part of the previously secular, and a (somewhat slower) shift of the Haredi into the mainstream. Secular ZIonism always was a strange sort of oxymoron, and the dissonance is being resolved by the ascendance of the Dati Leumi (national-religious). Visit Israel, and you’ll see.

  • davidpgoldman

    Sure. We’ve killed all the Palestinian Arabs, like the Nazis. We searched every attic and basement to make sure we didn’t miss a single one, like the Nazis. We throw small children alive into the ovens to save the cost of poison gas, like the Nazis. All the Palestinian Arabs you see on TV are actors we’ve hired to cover up the fact that we’ve murdered every one of them. The Nazis only had a dozen years in power; we’ve occupied the West Bank for 58 years and have had plenty of time to exterminate every last one. We make lampshades out of their skins, just like the Nazis. We make soap out of the ashes of their corpses, just like the Nazis.

    Seriously, you need to read Kubler-Ross. Here’s a link:
    http://www.uky.edu/~cperring/kr.htm

    Paranoid delusions are common among those whose extinction is inevitable and who haven’t come to grips with it. You will disappear from the face of the earth and will go unremembered. Get used to it.

  • davidpgoldman

    Want to bet? We’ll be glad to sell you extinction insurance — we pay handsomely when the last speaker of your language dies.

  • davidpgoldman

    Now you’re being silly. I spend half my time in China. You’d get a good laugh all around with that line.

  • davidpgoldman

    Just how did we arrange the 100 Years War, after we were expelled from both France and England? Now, that must have been a trick! If we could do that, think of what we can do to you!

  • davidpgoldman

    In Second Temple times, a court that handed down one death penalty in a century was considered cruel. Our tribal life of 3,000 years ago no doubt was rough, like all societies of the time, but we had reduced the death penalty to the minimum by the 4th century B.C.E.

  • Jack Temujin

    Is that a threat?

  • Jack Temujin

    What do you wanna bet? You don’t even know what languages I can speak, what my race and nationality is. You speak nothing but gibberish pro-Zio fooey. I am beginning to dislike you Goldman.

  • davidpgoldman

    Of course not. You are commiting genosuicide. I’m perfectly happy for your language and folkways to stick around until we colonize Pluto. You insist on becoming extinct, and your paranoid delusions about Jewish conspiracies are proof positive of your inability to survive in the modern world. Whom Hashem wishes to destroy, he first makes an anti-Semite.

  • Janek

    To profit from it. The spectacular rise of China and its GDP around all that period was on average close to 10%. For the same period in USA and in the West there is also ‘spectacular’ but exactly the opposite trend: the decline in standards of living, in manufacturing sector, debt problems, social problems etc.. During the last 30+ years the China, India and in general East Asia were fast going up and the West was going fast downwards thanks to outsourcing, moving production, debt etc. while applying the neoliberal’s and the neocon’s prescriptions as the remedy. The prescriptions had exactly the opposite effects and the more the governments applied them the worse the problems became. The correlation coefficient between the two trends, rise of China and East Asia and the rising problems of the West, is 0.99999. Ask yourself the question: “Cui bono” and you will have the answer.

    The Chines did not needed to have the neoliberal model because the assets were already under control in the hands of party apparatus so the transfer of public assets into the private hands was not needed the opposite what was in the West. The Communist Party in China decided who was to become billionaire and who not not the market etc.. If you look who are the richest people in China you will find that those are mostly the top party officials.

    Obviously Americans are now starting to think and ask themselves: what happened. Seeing and beginning to understand what is really happening and how they are being sc…d up by the neoliberal-neocon honchos for the last 30+ years, are beginning to question the whole arrangement.

  • Janek

    We will see. I do not care if China reinvents itself or not. What I want is that the so-called West reinvents itself. I think the first step would be to go back to the time proven ‘democratic capitalism’ and getting rid of neoliberal and neocon honchos. That would be, as a starter, good enough ‘disrupting technology’ and shock that would send them running for cover. Do not take me wrong, I do not mind for the Chinese, and as a matter of fact for anybody else, to have decent and free living, but I object to being used and manipulated for the profits of the neoliberal-neocon honchos.

  • Dan Kuhn

    The UN and International law says they are illegal. They are built on occupied land.

  • davidpgoldman

    Resolution 242 remains in effect which deliberately leaves the status of the West Bank ambiguous. General Assembly resolutions are just for show.

  • davidpgoldman

    You’re just jealous. Israel is rated number one in tech innovation in the world. That’s where the money comed from. How many venture capital funds are lining up to invest with you, loser? I have a poem for you. “Those who lose/Hate the Jews/But that’s old news.”

  • Rob Naardin

    How many whores have you butt fucking, infinitely retarded, psychopathic, incompetent whores won lately…. ….zero and zero and zero and zero. I guess that means you have a really accurate…. god who loves accurately shitting on overpaid psychopathic, butt fucking retarded neocon whores….

  • Rob Naardin

    PS Uncle Sams rectum is wearing thin. Be careful you don’t bust a nut raping his ass too hard.

  • Dirk

    You are implying that Hitler was beaten by the US (or made a mistake by declaring war on the US). The US and Germany were already in conflict by anything but in name. Roosevelt was providing the UK and USSR with the means to continue the war virtually for free (calling it ‘lend-lease’). But it made no difference because Stalin could have beaten Hitler alone. Hitler’s blunder was to believe that the Red Army would collapse in 1941 under the brunt of a broad front assault.

  • davidpgoldman

    From your screen name I take it that you are a wannabe Mongol. As it happens I speak several European languages fluently, but regret having learned them, as opposed to Hebrew, where I need a lot of improvement.

  • Lion Heart

    1. Nazis did not throw Jewish children in oven…

    Dr Mengle gave Jewish children lollies (its recorded testimony).

    2. While ZioNazis massacred Palestinians children—–500+ children in July 2014 alone

    If Israel’s intention had been to kill ONLY Hamas militants, they would have used PRECISION munition.

    It was Israel’s INTENTION to kill as many CIVILIAN as possible that is why Israel used 43,000 artillery shells and 39,000 tank shells—–rather than using precision munition.

    Choice of weapon (use of atillery shells rather than use of precision munition) shows that Israel wanted to kill as many civilians as possible.

    Hitler was more humane

  • Lion Heart

    Are you talking about same Hashem who ranted in Torah (1Samuel 15:3):

    “Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy all that belongs to them.

    Do not spare them; put to death men and women, CHILDREN and INFANTS, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys”

    Hitler was more civilised than your Hashem….Hitler NEVER asked anyone to kill Jewish babies !!!

  • Lion Heart

    Auschwitz camp was a LEGAL measure to detain terrorists and their sympathizers !!!

    After seeing Israeli committing massacre in Gaza (July 14), Rene Smit, member of the ANC in the Western Cape province quoted Hitler

    Hitler had allegedly said :

    “I could have killed all the Jews, but I left some of them to tell you why I was killing them.”

    (refer : Haaretz 16 July 14)

  • Lion Heart

    The very existence of Israel comes from “General Assembly”…..its only recommendation..—it has lost even shred of that legitimacy after violating more than 200+ UN resolutions

    Israel is a stolen land…..stolen by East European riff raff.

    Ashkenazi should decolonise Palestine and preferably go back to where they came from……back to Germany, Poland and Estonia

    if in doubt ask Helen Thomas

  • Lion Heart

    You being war mongrel…….always think in terms of “nukes—tank—and bomb”.

    Soviet Union collapsed despite having numerous nukes/tanks and war machineries

    Israel’s survival will depend on its evolution in a “PARTICIPATING—NON-DISCRIMINATORY DEMOCRACY”……….and shedding its current apartheid Zionist regime

  • Dale R Evans

    What you say is very encouraging. In all cases God wins though in some cases we cause ourselves a lot of pain during the process.