Is Iran promoting ISIS as the new Palestinian leadership?

“If ISIS doesn’t liberate Palestine, who will?,” asks Iran Press TV columnist and Hezbollah supporter Franklin Lamb in the lead item in today’s Eurasia Review.

ISIS is offering oppressed and desperate populations in this region both hope and fantasy for escaping their deepening misery. The dream is to escape abject poverty and indignity by any means necessary, and joining ISIS or other like-minded cash-flush groups, which seem to appear out of thin air these days, is the most promising way to do it… ISIS representatives in the camps are pledging to destroy the Zionist occupation and boast about opening up Palestine to Full Return within two years.

….Young, fit Palestinians [in Lebanon] are at last being offered a job in a country where they are forbidden by law to work or own a home. Da’ish is reportedly paying an average of $300 a month, promising two and sometimes three days off each week to visit one’s family, cash bonuses for marriage and one-time child subsidies of $400 per child. Subsidies for food of $70 a month are also being offered, in the face of the fact that UNWRA has just reduced monthly cash for food stipends to a mere $30 per month.

There are two bits of news in this item. The first is that ISIS is now offering money to young Palestinians. The second is that publicists on the Iranian payroll are promoting ISIS as the legitimate leader of the Palestinians, despite Iran’s war with ISIS a few hundred miles to the West. This is a foretaste of what will bedevil the region if the Iran nuclear negotiations give Tehran the resources and maneuvering room to assert more influence in the Levant. “Today only a small percentage of Palestinians are responding to the siren-call of ISIS,” Lamb concludes. “But tomorrow?”  The Persians will fight Israel as if there were no ISIS, and fight ISIS as if there no Israel, to paraphrase Ben Gurion.

Palestinians have the most positive view of ISIS among all Arab groups, with 24% approving vs. an average of 15% in Arab countries. A surge in Palestinian support for ISIS has been widely anticipated. In April, Fatah and Hamas fighters in Lebanon formed a joint force to keep ISIS out of Lebanese refugee camps after ISIS atrocities at the Yarmouk Palestinian refugee camp in Syria.  “In the Middle East, truth is often counter-intuitive. Contrary to the prevailing conventional wisdom, the most significant barrier to Palestinian statehood is not Israel. It is, rather, an entirely foreseeable assortment of Arab forces, especially the Islamic State, or ISIS,” Prof. Louis Rene Beres of Purdue University wrote in the Washington Times June 2. He reported:

Now, irony of ironies, both Hamas and Israel are threatened by ISIS movements toward Gaza. Lately, various jihadi groups loyal to ISIS have exchanged gun- and rocket-fire with Hamas fighters, planted bombs in public Palestinian buildings, and prepared for all-out war with the Hamas government. When, recently, Hamas reportedly blew up a mosque believed to be a base for ISIS loyalists, a group calling itself Supporters of the Islamic State in Jerusalem offered the following statement: “In light of Hamas‘ latest action, we renew our allegiance to ISIS leader Abu Bakr Al-Baghdadi, and call on him to strengthen his influence, to open up a war in Palestine in order to unite together in a war against the Jews and their accomplices.”

I agree with Prof. Beres: A year ago, I warned in Tablet Magazine that the ascent of extremists like ISIS would force a one-state solution on Israel as the existing Palestinian political structures disintegrated. The collapse of civic life in the Levant and Mesopotamia due to Sunni-Shia conflicts, I predicted, would produce a snowball effect like that of the Thirty Years War:

The region has seen nothing like it since the Mongol invasion of the 13th century. Perpetual war has turned into a snowball that accumulates people and resources as it rolls downhill and strips the ground bare of sustenance. Those who are left shiver in tents in refugee camps, and their young men go off to the war. There is nothing new about this way of waging war; it was invented in the West during the Thirty Years War by the imperial general Albrecht von Wallenstein, and it caused the death of nearly half the population of Central Europe between 1618 and 1648.

Perhaps 18 million people in the region have been displaced by war during the past several years, according to the United Nations High Commissioner on Refugees. The charts below first appeared in the cited Tablet essay.

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This unprecedented refugee stream, moreover, coincides with a demographic bulge in the region’s military-age population. which has nearly doubled from about 15 million iin 1985 to 30 million in 2005. It will fall sharply in the near future (Iran in 2010 had 18 million people aged 15-24, but will have barely 10 million in 2020 due to the collapse of the birth rate in the 1990s).

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The efforts of France, the Vatican and others to coax a Palestinian State out of this miasma probably are moot, as the petty concerns of the Palestinians are swamped by the greater regional conflict.



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  • Procivic

    The author shares an agenda with the usual suspects about Iran and has no trouble twisting facts to suit his bizarre theories.

  • Mankato

    Israel supports Al-Qaeda terrorists by providing medical care and intelligence ( that is what we just know) in Syria. Mr Goldman and his Israel supporters playing a dual game. Inciting violence by helping terrorists in Syria while making unfounded claims about other countries. Did I forget to mention killing of innocent children with impunity while claiming to be a “democratic” country.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/israel-rules-out-charges-in-deaths-of-four-children-in-gaza-missile-strike/2015/06/12/967d99b6-93d9-43b2-9eea-6eb4b976049b_story.html

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/israel-supports-al-qaeda-militants-in-syria-photographic-evidence/5435201

    http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2015/01/syria-opposition-daraa-israel-communication-nusra.html/#

    http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/04/curious-case-israel-al-nusra-facebook-spy-150420082913157.html

    http://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Report-Israel-treating-al-Qaida-fighters-wounded-in-Syria-civil-war-393862

  • Val Cocora

    miasma is the word that describes palestinians best.
    no point searching for the truth in the middle east, it’s been covered by a thick layer of islamic lies and distortions for the last 1400 years.
    let them eat this cake of their own making.
    that said, spengler you better get ready for another round of bashing from your usual base of detractors.
    when that happens, I know you must have said or done something right.

  • montana83

    The enemy of my enemy is my friend.
    Iran gets this.
    Caroline Glick in her one state solution is vindicated.
    Mr. Goldman reports it.
    The Egyptian Army sees it first hand in the Sinai.
    Obama voters, getting their news from Kim Kardashian’s Twitter Feed, are totally confused.
    Danke Schoen, Herr Spengler.

  • Daniel Berg

    Anything that forces a one-state solution on Israel is good,,,very good,

  • Jay

    Franklin Lamb can hardly be regarded as the Iranian foreign ministry’s spokesman.

    He’s just pointing out the obvious — that success breeds success. ISIS is succeeding, and that makes people want to join them.

    As for ISIS truly threatening Israel, I’ll believe that when I see it. I don’t see it now, and don’t ever expect to. Most of their energy is expended in killing Israel’s enemies, and it’ll be that way tomorrow.

  • Jack Temujin

    ISIS – Israel Secret Intelligence Service. Iranians? What jew talking about Willis?

  • Mr. Bernard Wijeyasingha

    In the long run the Middle East may face two “monsters’. The Kurdish militants have been fighting for a homeland based on their ethnicity. “Kurdistan” is an unfulfilled dream that sprang from the 1916 Sykes/Picot agreement between Great Britain and France. It effectively dismantled the Ottoman Empire and drew the modern lines of the Middle East.
    The agreement failed in creating a homeland for the regions’ Kurdish population and set forth a militant movement that has fought for that since then. Now the US coalition of 40 nations created to defeat ISIS are arming and training the Kurdish militants.
    A better trained and armed Kurdish militant movement is already challenging lands they expropriate from ISIS. Whether the Caliphate created by ISIS is destroyed or not, the Middle East will face the Kurdish militants.
    ISIS has created a nation (The Caliphate) based on ideology and shared by many in the Muslim world. The Kurdish militants want to create a nation based on ethnicity. They will demand lands with Kurdish populations, across the Middle East, to form Kurdistan.
    These nations will have few options left.
    They can purge the Kurdish populations from their lands
    Fight the Kurdish militants from forming a new nation
    Give in and see their lands carved up in a similar manner that ISIS is doing in Iraq and Syria, with no guarantee that the Caliphate will either exist or live on.

  • fawdawi

    What a stupid idea and title for your article, David P. Goldman! As a matter of fact, if ISIS never talks about someone, that someone is Israel.

  • Cristinascar

    Very similarly Israel has been lobbying for an independent Druse state on its Syrian border.

  • Cristinascar

    No you do.

  • Cristinascar

    You are a not funny hateful, pos.

  • Cristinascar

    You’re not too bright. Israel is only important because antisemites won’t leave it alone.

  • Cristinascar

    “As a matter of fact” can you possibly be that dumb?

  • Cristinascar

    Medical care is for anyone. By Israeli law. Inciting violence? And you talk about Jews. Can you be that dumb?

    Turkey sends 22,000 fighters to ISIS a year, and you talk about Israel? Qatar finances the whole thing, and you talk about Israel?

  • Cristinascar

    Not true Iran created ISIS to begin with. Iran wanted an antiwestern enemy, it is a standard practice of Russian allies. Iran also invented the Islamic Suicide Attack against random civilians.

  • Mr. Bernard Wijeyasingha

    I just Googled “Druze State” and it did exist in Syria between 1921 and 1936. If so the recreation of that state will not have the detrimental effects of Kurdistan. Kurdistan will demand large parts of Turkey to Iran. These are nations not willing to give up their lands to form a new nation.

  • Cristinascar

    Druse are heretical according to Wahabism and Shia.

    1921 to 1936 correspond to a lot of terrorism done by the Arab sects against the British, which is why it ultimately failed. From the Qassam terrorism against the British, to the Kura terrorism against the British, to the Sultan Adwan lead terrorism against the British, to the Wahabi against the Emir Abdulla Hicham terrorism against the British (former allies), to the newly formed Muslim Brotherhood terrorism against the British (the two phases of the Ikhwan terrorism against the British) all happened between 1921 and 1936, all said the British in that period killed about 150,000 Arabs according to Arab sources if you believe them. It also coincides with a huge increase in Arab petty theft and crime, all of this confusion ultimately worked and put the Druse state on the chopping block.

    Shia (Persian) Islam holds Jews to be dirty from birth, and has tens of laws about it.

    Both Kurds and Iranians carry out a couple of thousand backyard ‘honor killings’ a year.

    For example here’s one done by Kurds, there are over 300 Kurdish people standing around to watch, fliers in the whole town, behind the home camera, the girl nine is being ‘honor killed’ for dressing western https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hwntjKmCcs

  • Mr. Bernard Wijeyasingha

    Cristinascar
    All that you wrote to me is new information. I did not know any of this. But could it possibly be due to the Sykes/Picot agreement between Great Britain and France in 1916 that dismantled the Ottoman Empire and drew the lines of the Middle East as we know it today. Could those lines have caused local ethnic upheaval
    Remember when Great Britain drew the lines to form India and Pakistan, that alone created a disaster where an estimated 2 to 3 million were killed (Hindu, Sikh, Muslim against each other using the most crudest weapons) and another 12 to 14 million people who were forced to move. This disaster was compounded by the Famine in Bengal just a few years earlier than 1947 that killed another 2 to 3 million Bengali people.

  • Jay

    Funny stuff.

  • Jay

    Israel is only important because Jews are the self-chosen people.

  • Cristinascar

    You’re a psychopath. You’re the one commenting on their country evil child.

  • David

    Traditionally there are two schools of Muslim extremist thought. One is that they should take on the US first and the other is that they should take out Israel first. They all believe in the same ends it is just the means they disagree on. ISIS however seems to be more of a dooms day cult They are actively trying to bring on the end of the world. Not sure how that relates to the Israel Palestinian conflict.

  • Cristinascar

    Not funny. But Iran has a long history of creative torture methods. You trust a country who carries out thousands of honor killings a year over a country without a death penalty? And you think you are even worthy to have an opinion?

  • Cristinascar

    Just not true. You should know a subject before commenting. ISIS firstly has attacked Israel, but like the commenters here the media hates Israel, because you are evil, and because we are in the midst of the greatest evil a 2400 year old one, antisemitism. ISIS is obsessed with killing Jews and has and does. You are so deeply dumb. ISIS attacked Israel this week.

    ISIS has not shutup about Israel whatsoever, and has attacked at least 100 times.

    Secondly ISIS is part of a step by step Islamic OIC plan that will not fully attack until 2016. Fouad Hussein leaked the Islamic organizational plan in 2005. The plan was likely told to him by Iranian Al-Quida member Seif al-Adl. Every word of it has come true, now they are finished with the first through fourth part which was for example expand the permanent boycotte of Jews all 21 Arab League countries have done for 80 years to infidel countries, that stage was called The Awakening. More religious high schools in the US are Madrassahs than there are Christian or Jewish ones, look up the Gulen Network. (Part of the Awakening) the Turkish government just built the biggest religious building in Washington a Mosque.

  • fawdawi

    That’s another wrong idea, David. Talk us more about Christian extremism, yep, the one who destroyed Baghdad and left 1 million dead people and 4 million of displaced people. What about Jewish extremism? Gaza, 2014.

    ISIS is being funded by the USA and some feudal dictatorships as Qatar and Saudi Arabia. http://www.voltairenet.org/article185085.html

  • David

    Except Baghdad was never occupied during the crusades by any of the Christian armies. Otherwise I have no idea what you are talking about WRT Christian extremism killing one million in Baghdad.
    AS for ISIS and American support you give Obama way too much credit. You are coming up with conspiracy theories when incompetence is a much simpler explanation.
    Jewish extremism? What is not extreme about the ME?

  • David

    AL Qaeda attacked Israel As of yet ISIS has not shared a border with Israel .

  • Jay

    That “standard practice of Russian allies” crack has sealed your categorization as a loon.

    Ancient Levantine feuds are not something that whites need to get involved in. Recall those “foreign entangements” that Ole George warned about two centuries and change ago.

    Christianity has a lot to blame for the current situation, as a Semitic, and Semite-worshiping, cult that has been a huge net negative for whites.

  • fawdawi

    Well, the yanks were mainly a Christian army in 2003. Don’t go back so much in time. Unless you think there are a lot of Muslims and Jews in the USA army…

    Oh no, Guantanamo, Abu Ghraib, Fallujah are real crimes. Conspiracies exist mainly in your mind.

  • fawdawi

    Your hatred against Muslims can be compared just with Rummsfeld’s

  • Jay

    Calling anti-Semitism “the greatest evil” is a seriously, seriously hot one.

  • Jay

    Your virtual spittle is doing some Atlas V-level launching.

  • Jay

    OK, the Turks and Qatar are as bad as Israel. Satisfied?

  • Cristinascar

    You’re a high level of dumb.

  • Cristinascar

    Easily.

  • Cristinascar

    They attacked multiple times. Separating Al Qaeda from Baghdadi and his mentor Zarqawi, is pretty silly anyway, Al Nusra and Khorasan were both originally Al Queda.

    It’s all a game they play, so you support the ‘moderate’ one. They all have the same pool of Turkish, Jordanian, Saudi, Qatari and Pakistani donors.

    OK here’s one from 2014: The video shows them shot down mid-air if you watch carefully.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JklUtAjsozo

  • Syn Hope

    People are sick of this false narration that somebody wanted to take out Israel. Actually, Israelis took out Palestinians. They have 300 nukes. They attack country after country. They are the true supporters of IS. Iran is a matured nation with exceptional talent. Very rationale mullas in comparison to Zionist hooligans.

  • Syn Hope

    If middle east is so bad, why did you leave Europe and uprooted rather peaceful Palestanians.

  • Syn Hope

    Majority of the Muslim do not share that. Caliphate is based upon Arab Tribal System. Caliphate is known for justice and real governance. It cannot be translated into the modern world ditto. What Muslims want is representative governments, not puppets.

  • Syn Hope

    The best place for Israel is in Europe.

  • Syn Hope

    Dont attack personally. He is right.

  • Syn Hope

    ‘Marching to Zion’ Full – Christian Zionism and 1948 Israel Exposed!

    Watch the above. You are right. YouTube.

  • Syn Hope

    Marching to Zion’ Full – Christian Zionism and 1948 Israel Exposed!

    Watch the above. You are right. YouTube. Just watch.

  • Syn Hope
  • Syn Hope
  • Syn Hope
  • Syn Hope

    You are a dumb a.s.s.

  • David

    I never lived in Europe. I am never been to the ME and why have the other Arabs not given the Palestinians a real place to live out side of refugee camps in the last 68 years?

  • David

    And when they left the American troops it took exactly one year for it to go to hell.
    If you told me the bit about Fallujah being a crime to my face we would have a real issue.
    But since we are not tell me what is this I hear about you Muslims using power drills to torture little boys fathers by making the father s watch their son being killed with a power drill to the head. like al Qaeda in Iraq did. And what is this I hear about Saddam torturing other kids in front of their parents to make the parents fear Sadamn more than anything?
    “Please Mommy!!!! Please daddy !!! IT hurts soooooo much PLEASEEEE !!!PLEASSSSEEEEE !!! make them stop!!!!PLEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAASSSSSSSSSSSSSSEEEEEEEEEEEEE
    Anyone that defends that kind of scum is not worth much.

  • David

    Well you are an idiot. Lets just leave it as that.

  • David

    “Separating Al Qaeda from Baghdadi and his mentor Zarqawi, is pretty silly anyway, Al Nusra and Khorasan were both originally Al Queda.”
    Thank you for ceding the point. Since we were talking about ISIS. Not Al Qaeda.

  • Mr. Bernard Wijeyasingha

    Majority of the Muslim world do are not practicing Muslims. They do not turn to Mecca 5 times a day. They do not have a prayer rug with them where ever they go. they do not wear a skull cap. A majority of the Muslim world never makes the Haj to Mecca. Most work very hard and are very poor.
    Read my comment “many in the Muslim world” support a Caliphate.
    Also there is a 500 year old Muslim issue regarding the Egyptian ruins. 500 years ago they did not have the technology to take down the Pyramids, but now “many” Muslims want the entire Egyptian remains destroyed as Kaffir. Now they do have the technology. Again it is many in an ocean of 1.5 billion Muslims. What this world wants is as divers as the world. Muslims come from Europe, Africa, Asia, the Middle East, and even the new world. No one person can speak for all of them.

  • fawdawi

    – tell me what is this >>>> I hear about <<<<>> I hear about Saddam <<<<

    That's what you are systematically doing: defending that kind of scum sent to "liberate" Iraq. Now, social conditions are worse than under Saddam's era.

    Bring facts, not your "I hear about" crap.

    http://raniakhalek.com/2013/03/20/u-s-turns-a-blind-eye-to-iraqi-birth-defects-worse-than-hiroshima/

  • David

    As I said before Obama is incompetent. Things before he pulled out of Iraq were getting better. With the pull out and lack of leverage to keep the shite government honest all that was fought for previously was lost.

    All you have to do is look at Iraq body count to see that.

    But what would you do with the lives of all those children that would have previously been tortured by Saddam?
    Do you feel they should “justify their existence”?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQvsf2MUKRQ

  • Jack Temujin

    Either ignorance is bliss or truth hurts. Which one are you?

  • Lion Heart

    David Goldman forgot to mention two facts:

    1. Franklin Lamb is a Jew——-a noble Jew, a righteous Jews, a Jew with conscious, a Jew with respect for humanity, a Jew who was moved by suffering and ra*pe of Palestinians girls in Sabra and Shatila camps organised by Israel

    2. Israel is providing ARMS, TRAINING and FREE MEDICAL CARE to Al Nusra terrorists,

  • fawdawi

    Obama is just a link of that failed chain called USA foreign policy, the real incompetent stuff. Oh” “Things were getting better”. Yeah? With 1 million of people murdered and 4 million displaced?? Man! Fortunately they “were getting better”. Perhaps you require 3 million killed and 8 million displaced to define that as DEFINITELY THE BEST.

    You justify mass murder by interferring in sovereign countries. Shame on you.

  • Cristinascar

    Who taught you to write English?

  • Cristinascar

    Old racist making declarations.

  • Cristinascar

    You respond respectfully to someone who says “Caliphate is known for justice and real governance”?

    And your ‘fact’ that they are not-practicing is just a blatant lie.

  • Cristinascar
  • Cristinascar

    You posted that same video twice, and made sure it was on top baby.

  • Cristinascar

    Not true.

  • Cristinascar

    I don’t know why I respond to an fool like you.

    Of course it’s new you to you, all the antisemite ever has to do is say the Jews run the media and it covers all sins censorship and lies you do.
    Sykes Picot begins over 100 year earlier firstly. The analogy is not true, for example just 2 tiny portions of the Ottoman Caliphate, ‘palestine’ ie southern Ottoman Syria, was nearly uninhabited until the rumors of Jews made Muslims run there. This can proven over a thousand ways, just by me. One tiny one for example Turkish Abdullah Pasha the bureaucrat who ruled was in Acre, not Jerusalem or Tel Aviv, and of course was an underling to Damascus the capital of Ottoman Syria not the Porte and definitely not directly to Constantinople, he was too minor a player on an uninhabited section.

    Most Muslims are not peaceful they have a historically very high crime rate, and were known as the largest producers of pirates in the 16 to 19 Centuries. Saudi Arabia was actually called the Pirate Coast up until 1820, by everyone.

    And you are mainly wrong, because you assumptions are insane. There were more wars between 1800 and 1900 among Muslims than 1900 and 2000 (though fewer died because unlike when Nasser was the first ever in human history to use Nerve Gas in war, in the 1960s against Yemen, https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1368&dat=19670615&id=A2EqAAAAIBAJ&sjid=2k4EAAAAIBAJ&pg=7544,2954312&hl=en the Muslims of the 19 Century had weaker weapons) . That colonialist dribble is the curse of our times. And recently they combined with the 2400 year old antisemitic schemes, and it has become very potent evil. You have only wrong answers. You will not make anything more peaceful, by strengthening Arabs.

    Just a sampling; Start with the 11 year war to wipe out Greece, by the Ottomans 1821-1832. To the Druse attempt to destroy the Maronites and vice-versa, hundreds of thousand killed on Ottoman Syria. To the perpetual wars between Persia and the Ottomans, hundreds of thousand killed. Arab’s constant war with Christian missionaries, and rape of their women. The Barbary Wars when Muslims tried to destroy the early American navy. The wars against the Wahabis by all other Muslims. Ali Pasha Mohamed of course is the biggest one. Ruling a 20 year period of perpetual war. The Jihads by the Muslim Caliph against Russia and Poland though 300 years old were still in strong force between 1800 and 1900. The perpetual blood-libels and forced conversions of whole Jewish towns in 19th Century Iran, the Blood-libels in Syria throughout the 19th Century, most famously the one in 1840, the blood libels in the nearly uninhabited Jerusalem portion of Ottoman Syria (ruled from Acre, under the Pasha of Damascus, the whole thing was the Eyelet of Syria) in 1850 killing 200 Jews, the blood libel against the Jews of the Mt. Lebanon section of Ottoman Syria, in the 1860s. The destruction of multiple Christian communities in the 1840s-1860s notably the rape and destruction of the American Missionary colony in the coast of south Ottoman Syria. It goes on and on.

  • Cristinascar

    He spammed that same thing to every comment why isn’t he banned?

  • Mr. Bernard Wijeyasingha

    It is a fact that
    Most Muslims NEVER make it to the Haj
    Most Muslims do not wear the Burqa or the skull cap
    Most Muslim men do not sport a beard
    Most Muslims do not come from the Middle East.
    Most Muslims are extremely poor. If you include Muslims from the subcontinent (550 million) to Africa, they are very poor, hard working and do not have time for anything else but feeding their families.
    As for Justice and real governance, I am still trying to find that in Washington D.C.

  • Cristinascar

    No blaming every crime on the Jews goes back 1800 years and has even been put into laws, that is not true of Islam, though it is more evil.

  • Cristinascar

    You just compared the US to the Caliphate?

  • Cristinascar
  • Mr. Bernard Wijeyasingha

    If the Sykes/Picot agreement began a 100 years before as you claim that would put it in 1816 and not 1916.
    The majority of Muslims are NOT from the Middle East. Outside of Emperor Aurangzeb the Mogul Empire of the subcontinent to Samarkand were examples of a highly civilized Muslim periods. I am not denying what you say but just adding to it.
    You not only cannot remove yourself from the Middle East, but when you think the Sykes/Picot agreement happened in 1816 not only is your comment at doubt but also your intellect.

  • Mr. Bernard Wijeyasingha

    I compared “justice and a real governance” that is not what is coming out of Washington D.C. That is why the Democrats lost big time in the midterm elections of 2014. Please try to extricate your mind out of the Middle East, just for a moment.

  • Cristinascar

    Mongol empire civilized, good one.

    When I change your opinion forever will I still be in question (unless you are dishonest)? When you are forced to incorporate my ideas, will you lie? Or just don’t read. The Middle East was a section of a Caliphate, called the Ottoman Empire, the Caliph was more infallible than a Pope in the middle ages. The Ottomans moved the Caliph to Turkey from the Pirate Coast, because of the high crime rates in Arabia and the number of Harems.

    This an important first step in background understanding because a Greek Muslim can rule Egypt, today’s Iraq, or North Africa prior to Greek independence, a Russian Muslim was relocated to Ottoman Syria for example the whole Circassian people in the 1800s, during the period when the Caliph ruled parts of Russia. “White” slaves were brought by the tens of thousands to Arabia or the Pirate Coast to fill the Harems, from the internal empire and colonialist Piracy, for example the raids on Scotland for white slaves in the 1600s were brought to Arabia. Every rich Muslim has his own Circassian concubine or some other race designated for its perceived pretty girls.

    Why I wrote it began 100 years earlier. In 1799 the French took over Ottoman Syria and Egypt. That is the exact point of the death march of the Ottoman Caliphate. By 1823 the Greeks had left the Caliphate, following an 11 year war, with the aid of the British who previously helped the Caliph side against the French. Then the British realigned with Constantinople. Right before Arabs got their first independence since the Mongolian Empire under Ali Mohamed (a Greek) , he fought ruthlessly and geniusly against both the newly formed Wahabis of the Pirate Coast, at that time Wahabism was considered a terrorist sect by everyone.

    My point!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    This is the exact moment the Sykes Picot agreement really starts!!!

    The British in about 1810 begin to take the Wahabis under their wing, both against the Ottomans and their enemy Ali Mohamed. This is prior to the British military supporting Greek independence 10 years later. In 1820 the first Wahabi based agreements are signed, (in order to kill the Ottoman Empire). Between the British and the Pirate Coast, by 1820 British maps call the now Wahabi favored Coast the Truce Coast, due to these anti-Ottoman secret agreements. Period.

    The Ottomans fought back and regained total control by 1850, but it was too late, by that time the British were deeply entrenched with their enemies. Constantinople believed at that time the British were their best friends in the world and were helping them kill the Wahabis, not secretly making one truce with them after another.

    By World War 2 it is finally renamed the Arabian Coast.

    The obsession with Jews removes people like you from truth and goodness and you can only hide the obsession by making popular lies more evil.

    Ottoman Syria is not important because it shouldn’t be. It is important to Jews because after 2400 years of persecution, they had a country, theirs. It is important to Muslims because they are colonialists. In fact their are no smaller non-Muslim groups they have not completely killed or trying too, in Arab countries there are no non-Muslim who are not Christian (I said smaller) It is important to you because you are evil.

  • Mr. Bernard Wijeyasingha

    You maybe smarter than me but you cannot state your point without being verbose
    The Mogul Empire created the most beautiful building in the world, the Taj Mahal and the Peacock Thrown was to Throwns what the Taj Mahal was to buildings
    This massive thrown was solid gold, contained some of the most famous diamonds in the world including the Kohinoor, Its counterpart called the “sea of light” the yellow Regents diamond among others held in the beak of each peacock. It had pillars of emeralds. and the entire thrown was encrusted with the most valuable gemstones. It was destroyed and the copy in Tehran is a feeble attempt.
    The Moguls introduced miniature painting, one of India’s classical dances Kathak and had one of the most tolerant Emperors the world had ever known. Queen Elizabeth acknowledged the brilliance of Akbar with a letter praising him
    If not for the Moors the technology from Hindu/Buddhist India and China would not have reached the West. Samarkand was one of the first cities to use the printing press.

  • Cristinascar

    Oh, sorry, I misread, thought you typed Mongol. I know of the brilliance of India going back to the Persian and Babylon period and earlier.

    Reading on my phone, thought it said Mongol.

    The Mogul’s are unique to me in Islamic history for not having an inkling of hatred for Jews. Sallahdin liked Jews personally a lot, but the people under him at times hated them. The Moguls as far as I can tell did not practice the laws of Omar, the laws of Dhimmi and treated minorities and pagans as equals.

  • Mr. Bernard Wijeyasingha

    That is okay. Moguls spoke Persian in their courts. that is true.
    The relationship between Harappan India and Babylonia is yet not known. But the Harappa civilization was the largest of its day at over 1 million square miles.
    Aurangzeb was the only Mogul Emperor the Mullahs thought of as a saint. In his 60 years as an Emperor and his extreme intolerance led to the collapse of the Mogul Empire around 1707.

  • Rob Naardin

    I’m promoting Dave, from butt fucking retarded neo con asshole to paralytic dreamer probably caused by an untreated syphilis infection…

  • Rafasa Arandas

    This seems extremely unlikely, and is probably misquoted or taken out of context — besides, isn’t Iran also regarded by ISIS as a sworn enemy, because it is not a Sunni Muslim state?

  • tinhatter

    Look at Germany after WW2, compare to Iraq. Perhaps the Germans just got on with rebuilding their country and didn’t indulge in fantasies, blaming someone else.

  • tinhatter

    Seems like a lot of people in the world hate Muslims (from Burma to Sri Lanka) Perhaps Muslims should take a long hard look at themselves. But of course easier to blame someone else.

  • fawdawi

    Germany never payed its debt,

  • tttbnr

    Is Iran promoting ISIS as the new Palestinian leadership?

    No, but militant Zionists are.

  • There are very few Christians left in the West. The few Christians that remain are demonized and marginalized by Western leaders. Traditional Christian values have been rejected in the West – which is why abortion, disrespect to parents, homosexuality and other sexual perversions, and the destruction of the family are promoted in Western culture. Most Westerners are now atheists or pagans. What’s going on in the Middle East is NOT a clash between Christianity and Islam, it is an attempt by the Godless West to play off different factions against each other to increase the glory, power, and wealth of the West.

  • tinhatter

    Germany wasnt sitting on a lot of oil. Nor was Singapore or Japan. Time for ‘Arabs’ (Muslim converts) to work out why they have a messed in every country where Muslims are a majority. I will give you a hint – if Mo’ (pbum – piss be upon him) was alive today he would either be in Le Hague facing charges of pedophilia and war crimes, or in a looney bin (listening to voices)

  • tinhatter

    Spengler is wrong in this case (for whatever reason). Iran has only ever used Israel as something to use against the Saudi’s and other Gulf countries who have done nothing to support their brother Arab Sunnis (if they really regard them as such).
    The Christian W and the 4by2’s are quite happy to see the rise of ISLAMIC STATE. They are living the dream; Mo’ (pbum – piss be upon him) if he was alive today would be up in front of Le Hague, war crimes and pedophilia. Either that or in a looney bin listening to voices. All we have to wait for is Muslims thinking for themselves.

  • Yahu Savant

    It seems funny to me that most Muslims haven’t figured that out yet. After all, isn’t America the Great Satan?

  • Yahu Savant

    Christians have NOTHING to do with it. Christians are persecuted in America and Europe. NATO is run by atheists and pagans who call themselves Christians so they can pit the Muslims against the few remaining Christians in America and Europe. The so called Christian Right in America is nothing but a bunch of neo-con wolves in Christian sheep’s clothing. Most Christians are ashamed of them want nothing to do with them!