Donald Trump’s demagoguery is a gauge of America’s demoralization: Spengler

A demagogue tries to sound as stupid as his listeners, so that they will think they are as smart as he is, quipped Karl Kraus, the fin-de-siecle Viennese gadfly. Donald Trump’s claim that illegal immigration into the United States is “decimating the country” is a case in point. Illegal immigration is a bad thing, and the social costs of a mass influx of poor and uneducated migrants from Mexico and Central America are significant, but that is not one of America’s bigger problems. Migration actually fell after the 2008 crash because construction jobs disappeared.

Source: Pew Institute

The best data we have suggest that net immigration from Mexico was negative between 2005 and 2010–that is, more Mexicans left the US than arrived. Hispanics, to be sure, are more visible in the workforce–their share of total employment has risen from about 14% 10 years to to 17% today–but that is due to the natural increase in the Hispanic population. In 1990, non-Hispanic whites had a fertility rate of 1.7 children per female, vs. 2.9 children for Hispanics. This bumper crop of Hispanic children has been entering the workforce for the past several years. But that has nothing to do with recent trends in immigration.

Source: BLS

Source: BLS

Americans are angry and are looking for someone (other than themselves) to blame, and popular rancor has attached itself to illegal immigration. That isn’t America’s problem. If Americans imagine that it is, they will look for consolation in misplaced against a scapegoat and avoid the hard problems ahead of them.

Mr. Trump may be an ignoramus or a ignominious liar. But his sudden popularity is cause to worry about the mental and spiritual state of the American electorate.

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  • Moe

    Lots of funerals you can try and spout this crap at, till a relative… well…

  • Chip Thome

    If someone comes here to take advantage of the good times and then leaves as soon as that is over, that person is a transient, not an immigrant. An immigrant comes and embraces their new home. A transient drifts to where ever the grass is greenest at that time.

    As far as what illegals cost this nation in dollars and cents spent on social programs, no where will you ever see that number. Then let’s talk about the costs to incarcerate the criminal illegals who walked right in with everyone else. There’s way over 100K in the prisons and jails so take that and multiply by at least 30K a year and that should start getting you close.

    How about that ultimate price people have paid, the life some illegal ended by being here. Does anyone think the count of deaths by illegals is kept anywhere that people could access it?

    What Trump is doing and none of the media gets this, is Trump is just putting it out there and not glossing over the issues at hand. Now that we have The Donald in the campaign, he makes EVERY other candidate sound EXACTLY the SAME !!! It doesn’t matter the party, they all speak the same way, making sure not to ruffle any feathers and sure don’t make any solid commitments to the voters. Except for The Donald, PC speak is the rule on the campaign trail.

    The long and short of it all, people are pissed, and rightfully so. We have been lied to by both parties and the complicit media. We now see clearly there is no difference in anyone who is in Washington at this time. Then look and listen to The Donald and everyone admits, he definitely would be someone different. Others promise that mystical “border security” while The Donald says “Trump it, I’ll build a trumpin wall!” Others say “immigration reform” and The Donald says “Mexico is not sending us their best and brightest”.

    The Donald is rocketing up in the polls because he’s the only one with the balls to come out and say what the people already know!

  • Joseph A. McNeill

    Mr. Goldman’s premise is founded on false statistics, for at lease two reasons: (1) (they are not reflective of the status of current immigration of “illegals” from Mexico and (2) the number of “illegals” working “underground” in these United States is not accurately known, as illegal immigrants do not fill out census forms, local law enforcement authorities no longer are required to inform the DHS of illegal immigrants apprehended and released, and the Department of Homeland Security no longer keeps up-to-date statistics of “illegals” in these United States.

  • c1ue

    It is rare that I find myself in agreement with Mr. Goldman, but this is one of those cases.
    Remittances are one way to examine foreign workers in the US – it has been flat to down for nearly 7 years:
    http://geo-mexico.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/remittances-trend.jpg
    Furthermore, there was a clear trend up during the housing bubble – again echoing Mr. Goldman’s assertion that a large part of this was due to demand for cheap construction workers.
    The travails of “us natives”, to paraphrase a highly tongue in cheek Daniel Day Lewis in Gangs of New York, are due largely to other causes than immigration.
    My own view is that this is an unforeseen outcome of information technology. Where before it was expected that every level of the value pyramid would require decreasing but still significant individual initiative and drive in order to achieve optimal results, the advent of information technology allows micromanagement at a heretofore unimaginable level.
    Think of Amazon’s workers being checked by computer to ensure their productivity and shortness of breaks. This has always been possible, but the cost of doing so was tremendous as it required massive human oversight.
    No.longer.

  • Sgs

    One of the few times Spengler spotted a demagogue correctly.

  • Erick Blair

    I suppose it’s better to be called a “demagogue” than proven to be a fool. Illegal immigration is illegal you fool of a writer. Babbling on about whether the illegals are as bad as Trunp claims is just stupid. There are millions of people waiting to come to America legally. And millions more here in America waiting for full citizenship. This fool apparently hasn’t a clue about that so he insults them by ignoring them.. Idiots like this guy are the real menace. Calling Trump names is boring and the trademark of a dimwitted liberal.

  • Sgs

    You should be just fine calling a trump a demagogue at a funeral. Almost all of the murders in the U.S. are done by americans themselves.

  • Jay

    With a wildly disproportionate % being committed by non-whites.

    The issue isn’t illegal vs. legal immigration. The issue is whites becoming a minority in a nation created by whites.

  • Jay

    Goldman may not technically be a neo-con, being a lifelong conservative, but he shares their seeming indifference to the demographic death of whites in the West.

  • Matt E

    Mr. Goldman:

    People living in Manhattan just don’t get it. It is something that mere statistics can’t explain: The combination of third world legal and illegal immigration, the sheer numbers of it, are breaking up America. I know you don’t go to the zoo or the mall or the movie theater or places like that – but give it a try somewhere, anywhere outside of Manhattan. It is a Tower of Babel out there. English speakers are often not a majority. Most of these people – not all – are peasants. Almost all of these people care not a whit about America’s history or values. You don’t have to send your kids to school with them. You don’t work with them. You don’t live near them. But you are starting to see the effect of their presence in Obama’s election victory and now in the national discourse.

    For someone who focuses so much on demographics, you give little thought to the demographics of young people here. You’re wrong about Trump. There is something very American about him. Something that we need. Something that we have to get back to. I say this not as someone who is struggling or working class. But rather, as someone who grew up loving America and what it stands for. While this country is probably done, Trump may represent the last hope of traditional America.

  • Mr. Bernard Wijeyasingha

    To quote the article “A demagogue tries to sound as stupid as his listeners, so that they will think they are as smart as he is, quipped Karl Kraus,”

    That maybe true but that is assuming the American people are not smart enough to figure out we have been taken to the cleaners for the last 8 plus years.

    That is also to assume the government of America, elected by the people, is a result of unintelligent people who then go on to elect unintelligent leaders.

    If that is true, for the article starts that way, then lets look at our current elected President.

    -his amnesty program is to legalize people who broke the law entering this nation, including criminals. Currently the Hispanic pop. in the US is 55 million. Compare that to Mexico’s population of 113 million (yes I know American Hispanics mainly come from central America, but a good percentage of them are Mexicans and many were here well before Obama took office)
    the US Hispanic pop is half that of Mexico and twice that of the Black pop. They are the single largest unskilled job takers in the US, and many of them are still illegal. they have contributed to the impoverishment of the black pop. Much more on that if anyone wants to know, but I will leave it at this point.

    -Obama’s health plan. It has gutted the average American, devastated the business community, who have to cover even part time workers, resulting in many small and medium sized businesses simply closing shop.

    -President Obama has bypassed the Congress in order to use his Executive Powers, to pass thousands of regulations. Between George Bush the 2nd and Obama 8OO thousand new regulations have been passed, with a good deal of them being enforced

    -With new taxes, new regulations, and the use of the EPA (Environmental Protection Agency) the wealth of America has moved to Washington D.C. and the capitals of states. They are some of the most wealthiest cities in the nation. they do not produce anything of economic value, and at every level the government has grown significantly (violating the 10th amendment of the Constitution). Industry and manufacturing has been outsourced well before Obama but has increased since his administration came into power. Cities like Detroit, once called the ‘car capital of the world” is a rust bucket. Many other cities whose wealth came from manufacturing or industry have filed for bankruptcy.

    93 million Americans are now dependent on the government. A good many of them of working age, but cannot find a job. The longer they stay dependent on the government the harder it will be to get them back into the workforce.
    Simply put, within the last 8 years, what was a bad situation has been made extremely bad. I will be glad to list a very long list of issues that made this so.

    Then the article states “Americans are angry and are looking for someone (other than themselves) to blame,”

    Yes we are angry, very angry, for voting a man based on his race and not on his abilities. It is very hard for the voter to see the man they elected twice pass laws, and bills that has effectively gutted the world’s largest economy, thrown open our borders, shifted the wealth to the Elite, made a mess of our foreign policies and NEVER lives according to the rules his administration demands of the electorate. That includes Obama care, which the elected officials have exempted themselves, Open borders where our elected representatives live in walled gated communities of the elite, the horrible school lunch program of the first lady, where she nor her husband and especially their two daughters do not practice. Michelle’s children go to private schools with a healthy well balanced meals.
    Nor does any of the EPA regulations apply to them. We the people should drive electric cars while they the privileged are driven in gas guzzling limousines.

    So what makes Trump so special?
    -He is a Billionaire. He is funding his own campaign and does not need the contributions from vested groups.
    -He has clearly stated what are the problems plaguing the United States and how to address them. They include
    ending the “amnesty program:”
    ending Obama care. or at the minimum defunding it till it stops damaging the economy.
    will see Xi Ping of China and Putin of Russia as allies and not rivals.
    Will slow , if not stop the process of outsourcing by making the US a friendly place for the “Corporate world”. That means gut all the regulations that have driven them away.
    Trump has managed corporations with great success. He has proven his leadership skills in commerce well before he entered politics. That is a stark contrast to President Obama and his administration. What I have listed is synopsis of Donald Trump and the current state the US is right now. I will be glad to elaborate on any issue pointed to my comment.

  • cj

    that was a fantastic rebuttal to the points raised in this article. and many of the reasons i support Donald Trump (and whatever that is on his head) for president. thanks for steering me here!

    cj

  • Mr. Bernard Wijeyasingha

    Thank you and glad you find Asia Times informative. It is a an excellent source of information.

  • Mr. Bernard Wijeyasingha

    Well said Matt.

  • Sgs

    Wow…. Trump, the last hope of white america. You really don’t have anyone else? Trump… really?

  • Matt E

    There is something very American about Trump. I admire him for that.

    Anyone who will speak honestly about the third world invasion – and that’s what it is turning into – an invasion – is a hope for traditional America

  • Mr. Bernard Wijeyasingha

    Regarding America’s foreign policy some of the most defining aspects of it have been:
    -the Containment policy towards China
    -Obama’s refusal to engage China regarding becoming part of the BRICS group
    -Obama’s refusal to engage China regarding China’ “silk route” program
    -The hot face off between Washington D.C. and Moscow
    Donald Trump has made is very clear that he intends to change the relationship between America and China including Russia, from rivals to allies
    Mr. Trump can only achieve that if he
    -drops the “containment policy” towards China and the sanctions against Russia. Both have failed and both have resulted in a joint containment of the US. In order to become allies of these two nations and benefit the US these policies will have to go.
    -Joining the BRICS group would advance the group since the US is the largest economy in the world and improve the economy of the US. Mr Trump is first a businessman, and second a politician. For the BRICS to become BRICSA would be a sea change in world economics and politics
    -to Open up the new world to China’s silk routes while simultaneously making the US business friendly to the “Corporate world” will be a paradime change in Sino/US relations.
    -To slow down or end the face off the Russia would benefit Europe, NATO nations and end a costly detente with Moscow. This is what Trump offers in changing our relationship with China and Russia. Again it is only a synopsis of our foreign policy issues that have hit the bottom under Obama and his administration.

  • Mr. Bernard Wijeyasingha

    Sgs

    I placed a 2nd comment on this article regarding our foreign policy under Obama and what could happen under Trump, in the Asia Times. if you have a moment could you pleas read it. the comment is right above this comment, and your comment that says “One of the few times Spengler spotted a demagogue correctly”. Thank you.

  • Martin

    I think if all the Donald Trump fans were to actually read the article you would notice that NOWHERE does the author defend Obama (neither do I for that matter). Obama is NEVER MENTIONED in this article. The article NEVER MENTIONS even the terms Democrat or Republican.

    Just because Obama is a bad President doesn’t mean Donald would make a good President.

    Just because Obama is a bad President doesn’t mean George W. Bush Jr. was a good President.

    Anybody that thinks citizens of the USA just started getting screwed by the government 8 years ago is so new to life they shouldn’t vote.

  • Martin

    Since you are so much more informed than the author please tell us where do you get your stats from?

  • Martin

    Really? Is it what people already know OR is it based on what way to many Americans have been taught to think by spending countless hours in front of their favorite media outlet everyday without bothering to investigate if what they are being told is truth or a big hot steamy pile of BS?

  • Martin

    Kinda like what the whites did to the indigenous population of North America?

  • Martin

    Donald Trump was born with a silver spoon in his mouth and had his butt wiped with silk since the day he was born. He is a billionaire that had it handed to him on a silver platter. If you are stupid enough to think he represents your interests by all means, go ahead and vote for him. If you are not another billionaire or politician he can purchase you are just a little person in his world that doesn’t even matter (except for your vote).

  • Martin

    If you look at the article the author does not even mention Obama. If you believe campaign rhetoric you are a fool.

  • Mr. Bernard Wijeyasingha

    Martin
    I have been on many foreign websites, especially Indian ones. Articles paint the US economy according to the official reports from Washington D.C.
    so a 9 thousand job increase is treated as a ‘recovery of the US economy”. Nothing else is mentioned,except when there is a social problem as in Fergusson. then the comments of ‘blatant white racism” pours out like a full blow fountain.
    While that shenanigan is going on, lots of articles regarding China’s silk routes, the BRICS group, the expansion of the SCO are liberally covered.
    When there are articles of Obama they are very favorable; both in the article and the comments.
    I have followed these article every single day going on years now. the elephant is avoided for the many gnats in the room.
    The world sees Obama in a very favorable light. When he did go to India, Modi gave Michelle 100 Benares Saris (A Benares Sari is one of India’s best quality saris. It has a lot of pure gold thread, hand spun and a work or art. Usually running around 1 to 2 thousand US dollars, if not more). India got zero for that so called “historic visit” except sermons from Obama to “contain China”.
    Later on some of the Indian commenters realized India was taken on a trip by Obama, which she really did not want.
    President Obama being black brings out the most politically correct tripe one could ever read in foreign papers. Language they seldom use on a White President. I do not even know if many who write these articles realize how superficial they sound. That maybe why Obama’s name does not appear on this article or any mention of the many massive problems he has created. it is not done.

  • Martin

    Good try at trying to cloud the issue with lots and lots and LOTS of text going on and on about things OTHER than the actual article. But the point of the matter is still there. The author NEVER, EVER, EVER mentions Obama in the article. You are.

  • mijikai

    Let’s enjoy a white demagogue while we still can!

  • Mr. Bernard Wijeyasingha

    Martin
    true but depends on how you see the headline. It starts off with Donald Trump and ends with “American demoralization” and “Demagoguery”. The author is right if the article is on Donald Trump. But if the author included “American Demoralization’ Spengler should have covered the last 7 years under Obama and why Americans are “demoralized” he did not. He hinted to our collective anger but never explained why we are angry. He also hinted that Americans are basically the dimmest light in the dimmest lit room. so I guess when we get angry there must be no common sense reason for it.

  • Sgs

    Something very american… is it his multiple bankruptcies? his multiple marriages? his being a billionaire? It cannot be the last since very few americans are billionaires.

    It is his anti-immigrant rhetoric that stirs your heart. You really would be better off following a monkey spouting anti-immigrant rhetoric than with trump. If trump is your last white hope, then sorry to say, you are screwed. Even Spengler can see that, just read his article.

  • Martin

    Here’s how I read the headline – “Donald Trump’s demagoguery is a gauge of America’s demoralization: Spengler”.

    I don’t see any reference to Obama or either political party WHATSOEVER. Why does the author “Need” to reference 7 years of Obama being a bad president? Because you said so? Should he reference the 8 messed up years under George Bush Jr? Does this article need to be the size of a book to make you happy? If you can find fault with the stats presented by the author, please feel free to share.

  • Sgs

    Well said? He thinks there is an invasion of people from third world countries into america. He wants trump to fix the ‘problem’. He wants trump to take care of all the Wijeyasinghas in america so that the zoos and malls outside of manhattan can be filled with traditional americans again. And traditional americans do not imply native americans.

  • Mr. Bernard Wijeyasingha

    Now I understand. All you had to say was “you are wrong and Spengler is right”. both of us would have saved so much time. But the good point is I got to elaborate on my point of view. You just started.

  • Daniel Berg

    Thank you,you are as you always are informative and honest ,

  • James Jerome

    Mr. Spengler you can be assured that they are abject Idiots. The GOP candidates for President are the largest group of clueless clowns, they have ever produced. It kind of makes you nostalgic for the 2012 group of clowns the GOP fielded. Moreover the people that vote for these clowns are as ignorant as they are. It is fortunate for the world that the new economic world order led by Russia and China, will greatly diminish the US influence in the world and eventually eliminate it permanently.

  • Mr. Bernard Wijeyasingha

    Matt, and Martin especially finally found the English words to clearly state what was on their minds, well at least Martin. He just could not simply state. “I agree with Spengler, I consider Trump a dump and Obama the gift of God”. Mind you Martin was complaining of long texts. but simply could not be concise and clear himself. well as I wrote to him I got to elaborate on my point.

  • Mr. Bernard Wijeyasingha

    I read Matt’s comment again. He has a bit of difficulty differentiating between “legal” and “illegal” immigrant. He fails to see actors like Arnold as an immigrant even though he speaks with a very thick German accent. I believe to him an immigrant that is not welcome is a “visible” person. As long as the immigrant is from Europe or sub Saharan Africa where they blend with the dominant 2 communities it does not disturb him. But the rest of his comment is very supportive of Trump

  • Mr. Bernard Wijeyasingha

    Well thanks Daniel. I made a 2nd comment on this article. It is below your comment to me. It elaborates on the US foreign policy under Obama and what it could be under Trump.

  • Daniel Berg

    Generous in Sanction and Containment policy towards foreign country and nations , Stingy in bringing prosperity,good life and harmony to vast majority of people (american first),,,,yes I know he cant change the minds of powerful people and corporations, but why take the job if you dont have the heart to do it?

  • Joseph A. McNeill

    Martin, over the years, I worked for DHS/ICS, the Social Security Administration, the IRS , as well as having been a Senior Intelligence Officer for the U.S. Army (Joint, Combined Intelligence General Staff) and I can tell you from personal experience that, while the Department of Homeland Security has (old) historical statistics regarding undocumented immigrant flows, it lacks an accurate current knowledge of how many undocumented immigrants now reside in these United States because (1) many undocumented immigrants slip over the Mexican/USA border undetected, and (2) per Presidential Executive Directives, local judicial authorities are no longer required to report undocumented immigrants within their jurisdictions. Whether one or ten percent (or more) of current “illegals” remain unreported is anybody’s guess and the reported estimates are just that, guesses. We had the same problem in 1960s Vietnam regarding the number of NVA coming into South Vietnam. Historical statistics less than one month’s old were likely to be off by 85%, but those going back six months or longer and having been subjected to multiple source “seasoning” were likely to be 85% right. I insisted that “guesstimates” of enemy strength be revised in light of historical seasoned data, for that reason. This is not to say that particular statistics being bandied about are wrong or right: we just do not know. Given enough sources, one can gain a reasonably complete picture of the number of persons crossing international borders, but we aren’t there yet. Hope this helps.

  • Martin

    I didn’t say that just like author didn’t mention Obama. I am assuming you spend A LOT of time elaborating on your internet soapbox regarding items that have nothing to do with the topic.

  • Martin

    Ok, so you are telling me the author’s stats are false because you say so?

  • Mr. Bernard Wijeyasingha

    Obama may not be able to change the minds of powerful people but he does not have to pick and choose what some powerful people have to say. He even does not have to listen to most of them,since he was elected by the average American and not the powerful people. (who may have the power to place him where he is). His particular attention to Soros is an example while he has ignored advice from Trump. He dismisses those who elected him like some allergen.

  • Martin

    Btw, I do not defend Obama’s stance on immigration. At all. But there again that is not the point of the article.

  • Mr. Bernard Wijeyasingha

    Not at all. I picked quotes out of the article that I addressed. You simply have difficulty in just coming out and stating that you simply hate my guts, hate Trump, Love Obama and hell with any dissenting opinion that trashes Trump or criticizes Obama by the likes of me. See how easy it is?

  • Martin

    Once again, for those that didn’t catch it the first time. I am not a fan of Obama. Based on the amount of text you provided I can tell you spend your day obsessing about Obama. US domestic broadcast media has filled you with so much hate you can’t even think straight anymore.

  • Mr. Bernard Wijeyasingha

    I hate Obama’s policies which
    has raised
    my food cost
    devastated my insurance which I worked all my life to get
    drastically increased my taxes without any benefit from it
    Open borders that have let in millions of ILLEGAL immigrants when my Father who was a Physician and my mother a trained nurse, came here legally,. waited years to become citizens and I now have to watch criminals from Mexico get that same right.
    Sky rocketing energy costs. between my health insurance cost, energy cost, cost of groceries that buys so little for so much and the taxes I DO NOT HAVE much money to spend on leisure.
    BTW you FLAMING LIBERAL NUT I spend a good deal of my time on other websites and on Other issues
    now be a good little boy and go pray to your black god Obama. he may even like it if you kissed his as.

  • Hineni47

    “…Trump may represent the last hope of traditional America.”

    Define traditional America.

    You might want to view Trump’s bio first. His family has not been in America very long.

  • Martin

    I know things are f’d and I don’t blame people (including you) for being pissed. What bothers me is that my many of my fellow Americans don’t realize they have been screwed by both sides horribly.

  • Hineni47

    “The issue isn’t illegal vs. legal immigration. The issue is whites becoming a minority in a nation created by whites.”

    Do you want to make ‘whiteness’ a requirement for legal immigration?

    Or do you want to deport some nonwhites in order to make this country sufficiently ‘white’? You know, people like:

    1. Native Americans who’ve lived here thousands of years,
    2. People descended from Africans who came here involuntarily,
    3. etc.

  • Martin

    Holy crap, I actually finished reading the bottom part of your post (lots of text you know). Once again I don’t support Obama. I believe in truth. Spending your evening spewing the hate you learned on your favorite media outlet is not healthy.

  • Mr. Bernard Wijeyasingha

    I do not know about your friends Martin but I have lived in the US for over 40 years. I started voting the moment I came of age to do so. I have seen Presidents since the time of Nixon
    I KNOW exactly who to blame and who I should give credit in so many administrations. When people like you skirt around 7 years of Obama and ALWAYS bring in former Presidents I know I am dealing with Denial big time. when YOU decide to figure out what happened in the last 7 years just maybe you would not send me comments about how much I “hate” Obama.

  • Martin

    Once again, since I am not an Obama supporter (no matter how much you say I am) you really don’t have much of a point in arguing with me in regards to somebody I don’t like.

  • Mr. Bernard Wijeyasingha

    Then do not read my comment or even better do not respond. It may help you cope with the wonderful life Obama has provided you or maybe choose your drug of choice for the day. what is it today Martin? pot? heroine? or is it qualuudes? maybe some magic mushrooms. you space case. I write what I know. I do not text to write basic facts using simple English. have you ever tried that?

  • Martin

    Once again, I don’t like Obama.

  • Mr. Bernard Wijeyasingha

    Again I do not care anymore. we have made our point to each other very clear. So far you have not pointed to ONE policy that Obama has made, that you do not like. You simply type that you do not like him and then spend the rest of your time criticizing my comments. This will be the last comment you get from me. bye.

  • Martin

    Immigration and IRS for starters. Once again, the article nor I are supporting Obama. Turn off the t.v., spend sometime with your family. Spending your hours online arguing items there is no argument for is not a way to spend your evening.

  • Mr. Bernard Wijeyasingha

    I do not engage anyone when i draw the line. I only make an exception with you is because you tried to point out 2 policies of his, instead of simply writing you do not like him. that left me with an impression you did not like the person. and not his policies. I do not care if a frog or a prince was in power, as long as that person governs the nation properly. I do not have TV. Gave that up including cable and Dish. You know why? because outside of the 100’s of channels that give about the same programs. I NO LONGER CAN AFFORD TV.
    I have Netflix instead.

  • Martin

    Other than what he says, and that everybody knows him, makes you believe so much in what he says prior to an election? If he said he could pull a bunny out of his butt would you believe him? You see I grew up. I believe in politicians pre-campaign policies about as much as the Easter Bunny.

  • Mr. Bernard Wijeyasingha

    you keep on ticking. Arn’t you going to wear out your batteries. You wrote to me that I “text” too much. Hey buddy I have not even written 1/10th of what I want to write about this administration.
    The mess that Reagan inherited was fixed in 2 years. A fully developed economy grew by 7%. that is equal to China’s growth today. that is unheard of for the most advanced economy of the 1980’s. That is a good president and an administration. If a nation cannot reconcile the problems created by the government then it is time to secede. that is why the US had the revolution. Because we could not work with King Charles and his government.
    If our system of voting is defunct and we cannot trust one bit the people we elect, then why bother voting? why not spend your time forming a new government? or is TV more important. You never leave such change to your children,. You make that change for your children. If you are such a lump that
    you do not believe in this system
    you care only to watch tV or spend time with your friends
    when you read comments of other Americans who take the time to comment about it. and you just do not like that
    then what use are you?

  • Martin

    You think a billionaire that was born with a silver spoon in his mouth and awesome bank connections is looking out for you? Feel free to vote for him. Btw, when I think Reagan I think Iran Contra scandal. Remember that? Enjoy your Netflix.

  • Mr. Bernard Wijeyasingha

    You do not believe in the voting system
    You do not believe what the Candidates say
    You do not want to make any comment about it
    You make caustic comments against other Americans who take the time
    you do not want to change the system for you have not ever mentioned that you would do
    you have no faith on any of the current candidates
    then Martin
    you have lost the right to question anyone. You have however earned the capacity for some retrospection
    I suggest
    You look at your self centered self in the closest mirror and ask “why am I even alive?” what use am I to anyone?”, “At best I am an interfering git and at worst I am a worthless interfering git”.

  • Mr. Bernard Wijeyasingha

    Thought about it a bit.
    I want to know what you would do? what is your decision regarding our nation? by that I mean America
    I am NOT letting you off the hook Martin. You tagged me and all you had to say was criticize me on all my comments’
    so wise guy what is your plan? this is on the Asia Times forum for all to read. before you start criticizing others lets here from the criticizer. that is YOU

  • Martin

    Let me quote you from above statement – “BTW you FLAMING LIBERAL NUT I spend a good deal of my time on other websites and on Other issues
    now be a good little boy and go pray to your black god Obama. he may even like it if you kissed his as.”

    Now let me ask you, do you really think I owe you a thing? You are an absolute nut.

  • Mr. Bernard Wijeyasingha

    I figured
    Martin you are a clueless WORTHLESS BUMP ON A LOG.
    THE BEST YOU CAN DO IS HAVE YOUR THUMB UP YOUR SELFIE LITTLE BUT AND FOLLOW OTHERS AROUND CRITICIZING THEM
    So you are known as…MARTIN THE LOSER.
    Nothing in your nogget, nothing about America. sit around and just space out. YOU MARTIN are a waste of space
    a dead weight on this planet.
    nothing to contribute and like some disgusting little parasite take take take. reading your comments even “Hope” would lose it.

  • Martin

    OR maybe I popped your bubble of reality? You starting to think that maybe a billionaire born with a silver spoon up his butt really doesn’t care about somebody as broke as you? Just maybe good old Donald is capitalizing on all the hate in America? It’s not like he is some salesman right? Oh wait a minute, he is a salesman. FISH ON – ZZZZZZZZZZ!!!!!!!

  • Mr. Bernard Wijeyasingha

    and that is the best you can do:? really? my God! I find a sneeze more exciting than this lame reply from you. and you end it with a zzzzzz. BTW I do live in a nationally registered historic house, all 4 thousand square feet of it. It is history. it is not part of history. I have had better since I also owned rental property… after I retired from my career.
    Martin the next time you want to take on an American commenter you better know what you are disagreeing about. “I do not like Obama” will not do
    or “I do not like his immigration and Taxation policies’ you need to elaborate or you will end up sounding like those illterate illegal immigrants on a dose of Crack.

  • Martin

    Well at least you have room for when the Klan comes over for cookouts.

  • tinhatter

    Sadly the Democrat candidates are no better. Such an amazing country, this week’s flyby of Pluto remind many of us why we love the US, but you are lead by idiots.

  • tinhatter

    No, Splenger was too busy commentating on Obama’s foreign policy (aka disaster) to see what was happening in his own backyard.
    For those of us who love the ideals that founded the US (even if they fail to live up to them, at least they try) the demoralisation of the US and the rise of Trump is worrying. Trump says what people have been too scared to say for fear of being called racist. If there had been more argument or leadership 20yrs ago, then we would be in a different situation. Today there is no way, now, that he can deliver his promises without seriously curtailing US freedoms.

  • George Silversurfer

    “upgrading” Hispanics to white has kept America white majority.. Bold move.

  • Mr. Bernard Wijeyasingha

    What a silly comment. the Ku Klux Klan were DEMOCRATS!!!! They were created by Democrats and when they were most active they were Democrats
    As for organizations “coming over” Hollywood did. They filmed “The Free State of Jones” in my town and used my front parlor to interview the actors, actresses, and Crew. This house was included in that film, and for this house that Hollywood company was the least glamorous issue that graced this house.

  • Mr. Bernard Wijeyasingha

    After reading your comment. Freedom liberties, even a thriving economy, sometimes needs to go through a catharsis. in order for people to appreciate them. The swing to the right is (at least partly) due to the problem imposed upon us. Would we have cherished what we have lost and are losing? doubt it. if we those ideals were never tested would we still fight for them? I do not think so. I am also seeing a wakening in Europe,where nationalist parties are gaining ground
    One of the worst aspects of freedom are long periods of complacency.

  • Martin

    It’s kinda funny, I read the above article again and I want to give you a quote from it – “Mr. Trump may be an ignoramus or a ignominious liar. But his sudden
    popularity is cause to worry about the mental and spiritual state of the
    American electorate.”

    Your blatant racist remarks prove the author’s article has solid foundation. Your mental and spiritual state are kinda messed up.

  • Mr. Bernard Wijeyasingha

    Whatever I am you still cannot even write clearly what is wrong with the US or the government. All you do is criticize my comments. Even that criticism lacks any substance. You do not have the skills to even elaborate why you do not like Obama or his policies. you have so far not gone beyond stating that you do not like immigration and taxes. So what? can you squeeze something out of your nogget beyond those one liners? doubt it for you may have a stroke doing that. you are a mutt.

  • Martin

    You stand on your internet soapbox validating the article. I have nothing else to prove and neither does the author.

  • Mr. Bernard Wijeyasingha

    Of course you have literally nothing to prove. you have stated NOTHING what soever for you to make even a stand. does grunts and click sounds the way you communicate in your family?

  • Matt E

    Bernard:

    I don’t believe that the legal status of immigrants is the determinative factor of whether our immigration policy benefits us or hurts us. For instance, Muslim immigrants come primarily through the VISA Lottery program and from the Refugee Resettlement program. Both of those are immigrations are legal.

    As we see in Europe today, as we saw with the 9/11 bombers, the Boston Marathon bombers, the Tennessee shooter, etc. – Muslim immigration is a horrifying prospect for this country. It is legal.

  • Mr. Bernard Wijeyasingha

    Actually it does. Immigrants have defined the majority of legal settlements ever since that bureau was created. Few nations really have such a broad immigration policy.
    Asylum seekers or “refugees” can be found across the world. some of the largest populations of refugees are not in the Western world. Usually they are given “asylum” for a period of time before they are sent home.
    One of the problems of asylum seekers coming to the US is that they do not seek asylum from a neighboring nation which shares their culture and traditions. They seek “asylum” in the first world after crossing continents and oceans. That to me is an abuse of the ‘refugee” status.
    I often point this out in European Websites.
    The problems with Europe are that some nations (UK, France, Holland Spain, Portugal, even Italy) had colonial Empires. they were the head of those empires. the problems generated when those empires collapsed is by and large the problems of these few European nations, yet nations like Austria, Germany, and many other continental European nations have to share in these problems that could be the result of their neighbors.

    Secondly European leaders will not listen to the people. They are doing what our leaders are doing and giving asylum to people who most likely are going to Europe to improve their lives and not flee persecution.

    One of my “jobs” working for the University of California, was to deal with Immigration and naturalization issues for Foreign students. It is a fine line when it comes to using terms like “immigrant”, “non immigrant”, “refugee”, etc. and it is very easy to fudge those terms.

  • James Jerome

    The dollar is bankrupt and about to be removed as the world’s trade currency, the US debt bomb is about to explode, the US is still going deeper into debt intervening in the Middles East, the US infrastructure is falling apart, the US has insurmountable social problems, yet the Idiots spend hundreds of millions of dollars, taking pictures of some worthless piece of slag heap floating in space. F^%^%ck Pluto, and anybody else that cares about it.

  • satya

    Xi Ping of China and Putin of Russia will eat Donald Trump for breakfast!

  • Mr. Bernard Wijeyasingha

    They could but going by what Obama has done they already had ‘dark meat”. Russia and China took the US “containment of China and the sanctions on Russia”, changing them to a new “containment of the US” such as bilateral trade not using the US dollar
    Both nations prefer that this waste of time and resources is really counter productive
    Trump has led business houses. Most likely Trump would want to do away with this confrontation and maximize relations with China and Russia,
    I believe that such an approach would benefit Russia, China and the US. In that regard there is no need to be hostile to the US President.

  • NotYouNotSure

    I wonder how Goldman will feel if millions of Mexicans started doing this in Israel ?

  • Crusaderking

    Americans are not blaming their troubles on illegal immigrants and either is Mr. Trump. That is demagoguery. Trump is blaming our troubles on our elites, who he claims do not assert our power and even sovereignty in pursuit of what he perceives to be our national interests. You may disagree with him, but assuredly this is what he is saying and I have listened to him. He does not blame our problems on illegals.

  • satya

    From an outsiders’s perspective, Obama is a breath of fresh air as far as US president is concerned….. Both the Bushes had destroyed the reputation of the US! You guys are angry at Obama because he has not started another war and refuses to behave as a juvenile bully!

  • Mr. Bernard Wijeyasingha

    Satya
    as an American I am very interested why you consider Obama a breath of fresh air for us? please let me know. I will not do anything but just read what you think about President Obama. thanks

  • satya

    Not for you… for the rest of the world! You know, Rest of the world cannot afford another Bush like presidency…… President Obama comes out as a decent Leader who has already created a great legacy!! The image of the US, which was destroyed by people like Bush and Cheney, already looks much better under president Obama.

  • Mr. Bernard Wijeyasingha

    Satya
    All I want is your opinion of our foreign policies under Obama
    and
    our domestic policies
    What is your general opinion of the US economy under Obama
    US social issues
    US immigration issues
    About Obama care, Amnesty
    National debt
    size of Federal government
    That would roughly be our domestic policies
    face off with Russia
    Containment with China
    You do not have to make it elaborate. Just a simple answer to each of these issues would give me an opinion why many feel President Obama is good for this nation.

  • halfkidding

    Donald Trump as president would be a president America deserves.

  • mrwild

    I for one would enjoy having the immigration laws of Mexico, Israel, or China. Border controls for me, but not for thee.. .indeed.

  • Skeptic

    You are absolutely right about Trump, “There is something very American about him”, that’s so true; and its not pretty.

  • J S

    –“There is something very American about him. ”

    Yeah … he is a racist pig. Like you judging by your post.