India’s master plan for the Indian Ocean

From The National Interest

C. Raja Mohan

On a March 2015 trip to Seychelles and Mauritius, Narendra Modi outlined a bold framework that overturned the political approach that India had taken towards the Indian Ocean for half a century.

The Modi government is making efforts to ensure a safe, secure and stable Indian Ocean Region

The Modi government is making efforts to ensure a safe, secure and stable Indian Ocean Region

Beginning in the late 1960s, Prime Minister Indira Gandhi asked all major powers to withdraw from the Indian Ocean out of concern for great power rivalry. This approach fit with India’s self-perception as a non-aligned and Third World state, and its desire to be economically self reliant and to distance itself from the British Raj, which had long been the central security provider in the Indian Ocean.

The context which gave rise to the Gandhi approach began to change in the 1990s, as India embarked on a policy of economic globalization and ended its military isolation. India’s new maritime imperatives did not, however, translate into a vigorous national strategy. India’s approach was weighed down by a lack of coherence, political ambivalence, and above all, persistence of a continentalist mindset in Delhi’s security establishment. The top political leadership still had neither the time nor the inclination to lay out clear goals for the Indian Ocean or the maritime space beyond. China, much like India, had long had a continentalist obsession. As China began to build a blue water navy and put its weight behind its own maritime vision for the Pacific and Indian Oceans, however, Delhi was forced to consider the implications for its own maritime security.

India’s previous United Progressive Alliance (UPA) government took a number of new initiatives on the Indian Ocean. It sought to inject renewed dynamism into the moribund Indian Ocean Rim Association that was set up in the 1990s to promote regional cooperation in the littoral. It launched the Indian Ocean Naval Symposium that convenes all the naval chiefs in the littoral for professional exchanges and engagement to promote maritime security. Delhi also initiated a trilateral security arrangement, coordinated at the level of national security advisers, between India, Sri Lanka and Maldives in 2011 to expand maritime security cooperation. Yet, as in so many areas, the UPA government did not have the energy to pursue these initiatives with urgency or purpose. Modi’s recent visit to the Indian Ocean islands has promised to plug that gap between good ideas and their implementation.

Modi’s March 2015 visit to the Seychelles and Mauritius provided him with an opportunity to signal that the Indian Ocean littoral is at the “top of [Delhi’s] policy priorities.” In his remarks in Mauritius, Modi laid out a five-fold framework for India’s maritime engagement with the Indian Ocean littoral.

Modi’s first principle is that Delhi will do whatever may be necessary to secure India’s mainland and island territories and defend its maritime interests. Since the terror attack on Mumbai at the end of November 2008, Delhi has been acutely conscious of the potential terrorist attacks coming via the sea. At the same time, Delhi has also been deeply aware of the growing strategic significance of the Indian Ocean in global politics. While the primary focus is on India’s own interests, Modi said, Delhi will “will work to ensure a safe, secure and stable Indian Ocean Region that delivers us all to the shores of prosperity.”

The second dimension of Modi’s framework focuses on deepening security cooperation with regional partners. India has long had close security partnerships with both Seychelles and Mauritius; Modi now wants to elevate these. In Seychelles, Modi announced the gift of a second Dornier aircraft for maritime monitoring, signed an agreement for conducting hydrographic surveys, and launched a coastal surveillance radar project. The radar initiative is part of an ambitious project to build a maritime domain awareness network across the Indian Ocean. It calls for the establishment of eight surveillance radars in Mauritius, eight in Seychelles, six in Sri Lanka, and ten in Maldives. These will be linked to over 50 sites on the Indian coast and connected to an integrated analysis center near Delhi. In Mauritius, Modi attended the commissioning of the Indian-made offshore patrol vessel Barracuda, marking his commitment to maritime capacity building in small island republics. He also announced agreements to develop infrastructure for connectivity in the Assumption Island in the Seychelles and Aga Lega in Mauritius. These are likely to strengthen the defense capabilities of the two republics and give India a valuable foothold at critical locations in South Western Indian Ocean.

The third level of Modi’s framework relates to building multilateral cooperative maritime security in the Indian Ocean. Modi said India will help strengthen regional mechanisms in combatting terrorism and piracy and responding to natural disasters. He expressed the hope that Mauritius, Seychelles and other countries will join the trilateral security initiative it already has with Maldives and Sri Lanka. This sets the stage for very productive multilateral maritime security cooperation in the littoral with India at the core. According to some analysts, India’s access to strategic facilities in Seychelles and Mauritius marks a major departure from its traditional opposition to foreign military bases. Although calling these arrangements “bases” might be premature, they point to future possibilities for an expanded Indian strategic footprint in the littoral.
The fourth element of Modi’s maritime policy is sustainable economic development.

The third level of Modi’s framework relates to building multilateral cooperative maritime security in the Indian Ocean. Modi said India will help strengthen regional mechanisms in combatting terrorism and piracy and responding to natural disasters. He expressed the hope that Mauritius, Seychelles and other countries will join the trilateral security initiative it already has with Maldives and Sri Lanka. This sets the stage for very productive multilateral maritime security cooperation in the littoral with India at the core. According to some analysts, India’s access to strategic facilities in Seychelles and Mauritius marks a major departure from its traditional opposition to foreign military bases. Although calling these arrangements “bases” might be premature, they point to future possibilities for an expanded Indian strategic footprint in the littoral.

The fourth element of Modi’s maritime policy is sustainable economic development.

In Seychelles, Modi announced a joint working group to expand cooperation on the “blue economy” that will increase littoral states’ understanding of ecology, resources, and allow them to harness the ocean in a sustainable manner. He also demonstrated considerable sensitivity to climate change concerns in the island nations.

Finally, Modi has discarded India’s longstanding reluctance to cooperate with other major powers in the Indian Ocean. While insisting that Indian Ocean states hold the primary responsibility for peace, stability and prosperity in those waters, Modi indirectly referenced the role that the United States plays in the region through dialogue, exercises, economic partnerships, and capacity building efforts.  There can be no doubt that Modi has made a decisive break from the ambivalence of the UPA government. This was evinced during the recent visit of U.S. President Barack Obama, when Modi and Obama announced the renewal of their defense framework agreement and signed a broad framework for expanding cooperation in the Indian Ocean and Asia-Pacific.

In Mauritius, Modi reinforced this framework when he declared that “our goal is to seek a climate of trust and transparency; respect for international maritime rules and norms by all countries; sensitivity to each other’s interests; peaceful resolution of maritime issues; and increase in maritime cooperation.”  While signaling a new approach to America, Modi has, however, also left the door open for China. His openness towards the U.S. might actually improve Delhi’s strategic bargaining position with Beijing.

In sum, there is no doubt that Modi has embarked on a more ambitious foreign policy in the Indian Ocean. He is determined to build on India’s natural geographic advantages in the littoral. Modi’s India is no longer hesitant about taking a larger responsibility for securing the Indian Ocean and promoting regional mechanisms for collective security and economic integration. It is confident enough to collaborate with the United States in self-interest and engage China on maritime issues with greater self-assurance. Yet it is important to remember that Modi’s vision is only the first step towards rejuvenating Delhi’s Indian Ocean strategy. Modi’s policy will face the familiar test of implementation where Delhi has had multiple problems in the past.

This piece first appeared on the Asia Maritime Transparency Initiative’s website here.

 

 



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  • Keshav

    Along with Indian ocean India needs to get involved into SCS..

  • Mr. Bernard Wijeyasingha

    Some key issues that I see, mus be pointed out:
    India’s nonalignment movement was made invalid when India aligned herself with the Soviet Union during the cold war. That close relationship gave India the nuclear technology from Moscow. Due to that action which resulted in India detonating her first nuclear device in 1974 and later in the mid 1990’s that led to a “mini arms race” between India and Pakistan along the nuclear front.
    Secondly India’s claim to the Indian ocean was challenged by Sri Lanka during Indira Gandhi’s governance. It may have contributed to India’s support and training of the Tamil Tigers in order to divide the power of Sri Lanka and create a new nation called Elam. This is what I have read and not a personal conjecture on my part.
    From the early 1980’s to 2009, India, in one form or the other, supported the Tamil Tigers and lost. She then embarked on a human rights campaign against Colombo and again lost. To this day Chennai (Madras) hosts pro Tamil Tiger organizations such as TELO (Tamil Elam Liberation Organization), TESO (Tamil Elam Supporters Organization) and many more while New Delhi stays silent. Then it would be hard to claim that India and Sri Lanka see eye to eye on India’s exclusive claim on the Indian ocean.
    The article also failed to mention the rise of Pakistan and her disagreement of India’s claim to this ocean or that of Australia.

  • China Lee

    China is the leading technological power in Asia. The number of Chinese research articles published annually in the prestigious science journal Nature is 20 times that of India.

    Source: http://www.natureasia.com/en/publishing-index/asia-pacific/by-country
    http://i.imgur.com/UPQlnn9.jpg

  • DavePh

    You must be kidding, if you think Sri Lanka can challenge India in Indian Ocean Region by any measure, other then vocally. The thing is, India has constantly maintained that Indian Ocean is NOT India’s Ocean, But a collective wealth. What we will not tolerate is any enemy country of India being given a foothold by her neighbor, because India can make much more trouble for them then they can handle. Mr. Rajapaksha did that, and you know what happened in the next election. There are more then one ways to cook an egg…

  • Mr. Bernard Wijeyasingha

    DavePh
    Sri Lanka challenged Indira Gandhi’s claim to the Indian ocean. Not India. the Maldive Islands which are practically under Indian control have challenged Indian decisions. The Maldives have openly defied India and invited China. India could not do anything about it
    If if makes your ego feel any better so did Cuba with the mighty US. and so did Taiwan with China. Cuba is a classical example of an island nation that check mated the US during the cold war. do not be so deceived by the size of a nation for after all little old England ruled a 1/4 of the world including your mighty India, Pakistan and the entire subcontinent.

  • Mr. Bernard Wijeyasingha

    As for India not tolerating enemy nations right now India has to eat crow as Pakistan invites Chinese subs and :China is docking in Gwadar which China built. As for “foot holds” in the sub continent when Modi went to China and signed 22 billion dollar worth of Investments right into India where is India’s sense of “foothold” when China is now IN India. In addition China has plans to include Pakistan in her silk routes, SCO and 46 billion dollars. There are limits to India. believe it or not.

  • DavePh

    No Mr. Wijeyasingha, I expected that moronic rant from you, what is being done is called trade and commerce, Similarly Indian companies are also investing in China. India does not tolerate nonsense from CHinese and Pakistanis at the borders, both had their hands more then full when they tried. Even in 1962 CHina went back to Durand Line.

    I agree there is a limit to India, as it is to all Nations, but none in the neighborhood can limit INDIA, including CHina.

    Don’t forget the 4 Mirage-2000 that escorted transport aircrafts which dropped relief supplies to stranded Tamils in 1988, and SLA flew all it’s planes out of the way LOL. Sri Lanka is culprit of propagating genocide of SL Tamil population, it should be held accountable and duly punished. Rajapaksha lost his election when he tried to play CHines poodle.

    Pakistan is a CHinese poodle and can invite the whole of PLAAN to it’s harbors, who cares, as long as they don’t cross into INDIAN waters, its an international waterway that they use.

  • DavePh

    LOL, you can make claims and pose verbal challenges, roll back to 1988 November 2nd, Maldives president sought Indian help to drive out Sri Lankan mercenaries. Also, there is more to regional diplomacy, in Maldives it is religious fundamentalism at play which will be dealt within due course, there is nothing final yet.

  • Mr. Bernard Wijeyasingha

    Dave
    India was the reason for the Tamil Tigers and the war. The evidence is present in the Indian Tamil city of Chennai (Madras) where every pro Tamil Tiger outfit has been brought back such as TELO (Tamil Eelam Liberation Organization), TESO (Tamil Eelam Supporters Organization), PLOTE (Peoples Liberation Organization of Tamil Eelam) and many more. They are active and being fully funded. New Delhi turns a blind eye in the same manner Islamabad turns a blind eye to pro India terrorist organizations. That should debunk your comment.. Please answer my comment for I would just love to go into further detail.
    INDIAN waters are limited to the maritime boundaries of INDIA, and not the entire Indian ocean. New Delhi’s LIMITS are seen in here inability to stop China in docking her submarine in the Gwadar Port that China built. The British named that ocean “the Indian Ocean” and not Bharat (the true name of India)

  • Mr. Bernard Wijeyasingha

    Dave
    I am glad you brought up the Maldive nation. Even though she is, by and large, under the influence of New Delhi, Male dismissed India for Chinese investments, which are larger is scope than India’s. During the 3 human right motions India and the US brought against Sri Lanka for that war (that India lost twice 1st time with the Tamil Tigers killing around 1500 Indian soldiers and costing the death of Rajiv Gandhi. and the 2nd time when Rajapakse defeated the Indian supported Tamil Tigers. The Tamil Tigers got their weapons, ships and money from India. they were trained by RAW. Google it if you do not believe me). India lost 3 times on those human rights charges for no one in the neighborhood voted with India . the voted in favor of Colombo.
    India has lost 3 times with her neighbors. Once with China and twice with Sri Lanka. Sri Lanka’s military is probably the most seasoned military in the world. it has seen live action for 30 years. Few if any nation can claim that. Sri Lanka is one of the few nations so far that has eradicated terrorism from her soil. India so far has not. These are facts.

  • DavePh

    Since then Maldive has been making conciliatory gestures, we have NDA at the helm of affairs in India, not the scam ridden UPA who couldn’t do anything in their 2nd term. There is a strong bigoted Islamic tendency in Maldives which is at play, and it is going to suffer due to. IPKF did what SL Army couldn’t, we we were not defeated but change of guard in SL to Premdasa who mandated us to withdraw, don’t forget that. Premadasa paid with his life for that, remember? We helped LTTE only in the 1980s, to fight an oppressive Jayawardane regime. India tried to broker peace with Rajve-Jayawardane accord in 1988 and sent in IPKF to neutralize LTTE which went back on it’s promises. India declared LTTE a terrorist organization after they killed Rajive Gandhi in 1991 and helped SL with $400 Million credit line to pay for Chines Arms. Don’t forget your own omissions, commissions and Sins…as well as someone’s friendly gestures… SL got censored you should know for the HR violations, and Rajapaksha lost the election for cozying up to Chinese too much, he even blamed RAW for that. Agreed SL eradicated LTTE, but it also killed 200,000 innocent Tamil civilians for whom it did not care, practically a genocide…Will you agree? LTTE extracted lives tens of thousands of SL Army soldiers and Sinhala civilians, a very heavy price by any yard stick. India has eradicated terrorism originating from within India, Maoists and Kashmiri terrorist are supported from out of India by Pakistan and China. But we will deal with them. The recent Surgical strikes in Mynmar should be a warning to any one having an evil design on Indian interests. Don’t get too cozy with China because in case of a war if SL is found to be hobnobbing with China we will need a few dozen Prithvi and Agni-I to decimate Colombo to rubble. Your Airforce will last 2 days and Navy may be 4. SL having commercial interests with China is fine, but strategic ties with intent to tackle India will be a blunder.

  • DavePh

    Bernard,

    Absolutely wrong…Please don’t pelt your evil deeds on India’s door step. Sri Lankan discrimination in the 1970s/80s, oppression and killing of it it’s minority Tamil population, depriving them of citizen rights, development, Human rights, socio-economic-political space and a say in the Govt. or even have their own elected state Govt. was the reason for LTTE and the War. Don’t forget the hundreds of boat loads of SL Tamils coming to Indian state of Tamil Nadu to seek refuge, each telling horrific tales of atrocities committed by SL Army and Police on them.

    Then and now, India supports legitimate political activities of SL Tamils in India, but there is a rider…not at the cost of SL’s territorial integrity…India does not support any activity that works to break SL…If we ever did, then Tamil Elam would have been a reality in 1980s, will you agree? SL’s military capabilities are 1/10th of that of Pakistan in 1971, and we made East Pakistan into Bangladesh in 14 days. We could do so with a “Yawn” in case of SL, if we really intended to do that, notwithstanding it’s international consequences. We just had to support LTTE and it would have taken care of SL Army, Airforce and Navy that it did so successfully for 20 years after IPKF left SL….

    On the other hand, SL Sinhala Govt. does not want to give it’s own Tamil citizens rights to even exist, in political, socio-economic or it’s territorial space…If SL could, it would kill all SL Tamils or drive them to India, just like Mynamar is doing to Rohingyas. All the promises it made to SL Tamils in election manifestos and to India are still unfulfilled, 6 years since the end of LTTE. SL Army is seasoned in killing civilians and shelling villages without bothering who it is killing…isn’t it a fact??? Shame on you.

    India a Super Power, has already stated that Indian Ocean is not India’s Ocean but is a collective wealth of Nations surrounding it, we are not claiming Indian Ocean, as China wrongly claims South China Sea. Our territorial waters and economic zones extend 200 Nautical miles, a Limit we accepted like every other responsible Nation, as per international accords and laws…BUT, we sink anything enemical to India within it… Also make no mistake, even in international waters, any activity that is to our detriment is dealt with an iron fist. Apprehending/sinking Pakistani boats, sinking Pirate ships and other humanitarian evacuation activities are proof enough that Indian Ocean is India’s back yard, we have a commanding “unchallenged” presence and wherewithal here to deal with any situation. Gwader is in Pakistan which is though a terrorist state, but still well within it’s rights to invite who so ever it wants to, like SL is. Chinese Subs docking there is their business, and this won’t be for the first time it would be doing so. China and Pakistan are strategic partners, because neither of them alone can tackle India (yes I say that with full awareness).

    Indian Navy Ships Sail into South China Sea and dock at ports in Vietnam, Korea, Japan, Indonesia and Australia…So what can China do about it? Zilch… India has Oil exploration rigs in collaboration with Vietnam in South China Sea.. So what can China do? Diddly-Squat…The Whole of 6th and 7th fleet of US Navy sails into South China Sea, what does China do? Hide…1/10th of Indian Navy can encircle Sri Lanka and strangle it to it’s economic death, So what can SL Navy do? Nothing at worst and Sink at best.

  • Mr. Bernard Wijeyasingha

    Read your comment. Try to keep this brief:
    the 1987 agreement between New Delhi and Colombo DID NOT include the Tamil Tigers. the agreement was to put in place a Federalist style government that gave almost everything to the Tamil Tigers, short of independence. That was what Colombo had to do.
    New Delhi in return had to disarm the Tamil Tigers. Under Operation Pawan, Trishul and Viraat the IPKF took on the Tamil Tigers in 1988. It ended with the IPKF losing an estimated 1200 to 1500 personnel. that was one of the LARGEST loss of Indian soldiers in any of India’s wars to date. India withdrew. That is why that war is a loss for India and why?
    India DID NOT disarm the Tamil Tigers
    India LOST the battles waged against the Tamil Tigers
    I believe in 1991 Prabhakaran (the leader of the Tamil Tigers) struck again and this time assassinated Rajiv Gandhi, in Tamil Nadu, when he was campaigning and Tamil Nadu is the homeland (state) of the Tamils. He did not have the security he needed when a war was raging just a few miles south of him AND the IPKF lost to the Tamil Tigers. That was far worse than a loss of the Indian forces, for it cost the life of an Indian leader (though Rajiv was campaigning at that time, he was the head of India before that campaign)
    The reason the Tamil Tigers struck so hard
    -they were NOT signatories to this agreement
    -they were taken on by the IPKF when Prabhakaran wanted full independence and not a settlement.
    During the agreement the Indian air force dropped food supplies to the Tamil Tigers while Colombo protested of violating her air space.
    The human shield of 500 thousand Tamil men women and children were done by the Tamil Tigers when they knew that Rajapakse was coming for them. his promise was to end the war. He kicked out the Norwegian forces and a no holds barred war started. Who killed whom is still a question since both the Tamil Tigers and the Sri Lankan army were shooting at each other with a human shield between them. This shield was moved when the military moved. Unless anyone can actually prove that the death toll of the Tamils were only from the Sri Lankan army, you have to figure in the gunfire from the Tamil Tigers. during that months long battle 300 thousand Tamils broke free and fled to the Sri Lankan military. the estimate has been placed at 40 thousand dead. Your figure is not the #.So India lost twice. 1st time with the Tamil Tigers
    and
    Second time when her Proxy war with Colombo was defeated by Rajapakse
    India has 114 separatist movements. the largest in the world. some may get support from outside but the reason they started is found inside’
    the Naxals were born in the Bengali village of Naxalbari. No outside force started them. It was due to entrenched poverty. They are now in control of around 11 to 12 Indian states. Since then they have changed their name to the Maoists. since they believe only a regime change to communism would solve the massive corruption and disparity of wealth in India. They have spread because of the entrenched poverty in so many Indian states while a few hundred thousand families control India’s economy.
    The Maldive nation has shown she has a voice of her own, even though New Delhi practically governs her.
    As for decimating Sri Lanka with missiles It would immediately make India into a pariah of the world and the Security Council. worse it would destabilize South India. That region from Sri Lanka to Peninsular India is linked. Sri Lanka also has a strategic agreement with China. It may bring China into a war with India regarding lands China now claims, including Arunachal Pradesh. It will bring Pakistan into a full conflict with India regarding Kashmir. Think before you write.

  • Mr. Bernard Wijeyasingha

    Dave
    You wrote twice. On the HT you wrote to me that you were an American but you did not tell me you were an Indian American. That would explain why you singled me out over that comment I made of the Sri Lankan Tamil who was killed in the UK. You would not stop for a simple comment I made that pointed out that he was from Sri Lanka .You took that personally. Do you have some issues regarding Sri Lankans and Sri Lanka?

  • DavePh

    Bernard, Not at all. I have nothing against SL, actually we feel betrayed that despite having done everything since independence for SL as a good neighbor, SL decided to treat it’s Tamil minority population like Hitler treated Jews. Obviously, there are grave political ramifications in Tamil Nadu and that reverberates through out India, when thousands of SL Tamils fled to Tamil Nadu with horrific tales of atrocities. Me being an Indian American doesn’t make any difference, because I have lived through the 70s and 80s. As a teenager who was very keen on politics and foreign relations, I was very very hopeful that the 1987 accord will bring peace to SL and to SL Tamils, with a political process taking root. Instead of that we saw 20 years of mayhem where everyone was the loser. And again I thought in 2009, now there will be justice for the SL Tamils, that LTTE is out of the equation, but now Rajapaksha went back on all the promises he made to India. This is outright treachery by him. China and Pakistan touch a raw nerve in India, and anyone hobnobbing with them will bear the brunt of our wreath. SL should behave like a good neighbor like Nepal, Bhutan, Bangladesh and Mynamar do. We have provided them economic assistance and trade benefits that works for all of us. Why would you hobnob with Communist China when you know fully well that your giant neighbor is not going to be happy with it, and especially when India has not done anything to harm SL. When you do things that pisses us, we will piss back, make no mistake there will be Tsunami in Sri Lanka when that happens.

  • DavePh

    Bernard, I am thinking and writing, Prabhakaran was forced to agree to the 1987 accord despite the fact that he wanted independence. What does that tell you? Doesn’t it tell you that India was not for breakup of Sri Lanka? IPKF fought Tamil Tigers and killed thousands of them including some of the top commanders at the time. We had to hold back because LTTE was using human shields to attack IPKF, whose primary task was to keep peace between LTTE and SL Army. It soon dawned upon us that Jayawardane led us into a trap and now IPKF was doing the dirty job of Sri Lankan Army to disarm LTTE. It was Premadasa who asked India to withdraw IPKF which was in a stalemate with LTTE.

    Maldives is another ungrateful nation which was saved in 1988 by India from Sri Lankan Mercenaries, who had taken over control of the country.

    It is responsibility of a democratically elected SL Govt. to not kill it’s own citizens when they are held hostage by terrorists, in this case LTTE. You would surely like to believe that only 40,000 were killed, but the fact is the free hand was given to kill everyone that is in the firing line. And do you know how many that is? SL Govt. does not agree to an International probe into that genocide, because it knows that the truth when it comes out, it will have to face the consequences. USA and EU are firmly on Indian side when it comes to HR violations by SL Govt. and the rights of SL Tamils.

    Forget it, if you really believe that China or Pakistan will come to your rescues strategic agreement or not. When India retaliates to your unscrupulous activities/actions. Neither of them have balls to challenge India and take on it on behalf of Sri Lanka. And who says we will use Nukes? SL is not big enough to them. The mere fact that you are hedging a bet against a friendly neighbor India by being in a strategic partnership with it’s enemy country, should you expect anything but ruthless dealing with you?

  • Mr. Bernard Wijeyasingha

    David
    what stood out in your comment are:
    “SL decided to treat it’s Tamil minority population like Hitler treated Jews.”
    You better explain the comparison in detail or take that back.
    “Instead of that we saw 20 years of mayhem where everyone was the loser.” I did not see it that way, India was the loser twice. No time in modern history did India lose over 1200 to 1500 of her men to a terrorist organization.

    “that LTTE is out of the equation, but now Rajapaksha went back on all the promises he made to India”

    Chennai hosts LTTE organizations. they are very much alive. Rajapakse was elected by Sri Lankans. he owes his allegiance to Sri Lanka. When Modi owes his allegiance to Pakistan or Sri Lanka or China instead of India then your comment would make some sense.
    “This is outright treachery by him.”

    When India makes alliance with the US does Sri Lanka have any say if that is a treachery for her security? how about Pakistan or China?

    when Modi makes a 22 billion dollar deal with China and does not consider that a security risk but considers what her neighbors do with China an issue? what planet are you from what are you smoking buddy?

    “SL should behave like a good neighbor like Nepal, Bhutan, Bangladesh and Mynamar do.”

    and

    “Why would you hobnob with Communist China when you know fully well that your giant neighbor is not going to be happy with it,”

    Good neighbor policies apply to New Delhi as well. and hobnobbing with China is one of India’s biggest relations. yet you tell me that when Sri Lanka does it that is not right. that unequal kind of thinking maybe the result of your caste mentality where it is right for some castes but not right for others. You need more explaining to do. This silly India centric world view of yours does not cut especially when India; ranks as one of the most poor nations with the largest number of starving people in the world. Take care of India’s slums. pavement dwellers, beggars and malnutritioned people before trying to dictate policies outside of her borders.

  • Mr. Bernard Wijeyasingha

    Prabhakaran never agreed and that is why Rajiv was killed.
    A federal system would have led to Eelam. that is why amendment 13 is yet a hot issue. Modi wants to do away with Article 13 on Kashmir which is similar to amendment `13. It leads to autonomy. India knows this well since Pakistan was formed and India helped in the formation of Bangladesh to the annexation of Sikkim and Goa.
    You said about nukes. go read your comments. India is no friend. there are no friends among nations, only alliances.
    Maldives is another “ungrateful nation” how kind of you? India kills destroys and devastates and the victims should b be grateful
    Still waiting to hear why you compared Nazi Germany to Sri Lanka.

  • DavePh

    Bernard, you have a myopic view of the actions of Sri Lankan Army’s genocide of Tamils and I know it is hard to swallow that fact. But fact it is that SL Tamils were treated and killed like Jews were by Hitler. You can call what ever you want, LTTE was pushed into a corner in Eastern Trincomali and Northern areas of Sri Lanka by IPKF.

    No one is asking you not to have friendly ties with China or Pakistan, have mutually beneficial cultural, commercial and trade ties, but when you get into military and strategic ties, that raises eyebrows in India of your ulterior motives, and you better take notice of that because when there are Natural calamities in Sri Lanka, you remember us first for help, and not China or Pakistan.

    South Asia is 80% India, so why not have a World view at least in the context of our region that is India centric? It does not matter we have poor people, we are dealing with it and trying to bring them out of poverty, it has no bearing on strategic situation in the INDIAN Subcontinent.

    The underlying problem within Sri Lanka is that you don’t want SL Tamils to live in Sri Lanka, you want them to get out, this is evident not only from SL Govt. actions, but personally even from your statements, because I have yet to hear a word of regret or sympathy for the innocent SL Tamils killed. So that should set your mindset in true perspective…

  • DavePh

    Rajiv was killed because he stuck to his guns that Tamil Elam will not become a reality, IPKF was already in Sri Lanka, how much time do you really think it would have taken India to annex the Tamil areas and let it be independent under Indian protection? Article 13 may be a hot issue in Sri Lanka, but that should not stop SL Govt. treat its own citizens with dignity and protect their lives!! You need to read more about how the SL Tamils are subjugated now…Sri Lankan Army is responsible for untold atrocities on SL Tamils, lets have an international probe in the deaths of 40,000 SL Tamils according to your grossly understated figures.
    Yes, Maldives is an Ungrateful nation, because it remembered us when it was under attack. So we saved their hide from being rolled over by Sri Lankan mercenaries, do you feel bad about it? We did not kill any Maldivian or Sri Lanka civilian or destroy their homes. Sri Lankan Army n the other hand did that to Tamils.
    J&K Maharaja signed accession agreement with INDIA, we have the land title deed of Kashmir, Article 370 gives it special status which also harms it’s development because no one can buy property there, if businesses can not buy property to establish factories, warehouses and stores, what is the use of it who will invest.

  • Mr. Bernard Wijeyasingha

    David
    YOU STOP RIGHT THERE NOW!! when you compare Sri Lanka to Nazi Germany and what they did to the Jews you better be very clear. till then I do not think I want to read the comments of a RAVING RACIST LIKE YOU!!.

  • Mr. Bernard Wijeyasingha

    Dave
    CLARIFY HOW SRI LANKA WAS LIKE NAZI GERMANY TO THE TAMILS OR ADMIT YOU WENT OVER BOARD!!!
    Kashmir came into existence after the Anglo/Sikh wars that defeated the Sikh Empire and carved out Kashmir. Before the Sikh Empire, Kashmir was ruled by Muslims for 500 years. The Dogra Hindu family was placed in Kashmir by the British over a Muslim population. India had as much right to Kashmir as she did over the Kingdom of Hyderabad. the Nizam had the right to declare his kingdom and independent nation
    India did not have the right to annex Goa or Sikkim. cut your nonsense. and next time you answer me come with only one comment
    THE COMPARISON OF SRI LANKA TO NAZI GERMANY..IN DETAIL.

  • DavePh

    Do you really think that your SHOUTING gives any legitimacy to your claim that Sri Lankan Govt did not treat SL Tamils, exactly like Nazi Germany treated the Jews? Sri Lankan Army killed over 200,000 Tamils in it’s war against LTTE. The fact is SL Army was ordered to kill anyone in the firing line, shelling villages, killing children all was done by them… Including children of Prabhakaran who were photographed to be alive in Sri Lankan Army custody and then shot at close ranges, the daughter was also allegedly raped. So much for you RAVING GENOCIDE JUSTIFYING MORON LIKE YOU!!!

  • DavePh

    Lets take one by one. I have already stated enough on how Sri Lanka “IS” like Nazi Germany in it’s treatment of SL Tamils, like that of Jews.
    1) State power and army was used to kill and drive out the SL Tamils.
    2) When they were used as human shields by LTTE, they were killed as collateral damage, just like Nazis did to Jews.
    3) Deprived of citizenship rights and autonomy to govern its own state (just like any other SL province).
    4) Deliberately targeted and driven out of their homes from SL into India.
    5) Promises made to India to make amends and give full rights to SL Tamils by Rajapaksha, so as to not take Sri Lanka to International Human Rights Commission and vote against it, for genocide of Tamils.
    6) Subjugation as 2nd class citizens.

    Why stop at Anglo/Sikh War? or 500 years? before that Kashmir was Hindu state for a few thousand years. The Dogras actually purchased J&K territory from the British, go read the history properly before you talk.

    Maharaja of J&K signed an instrument of accession with Indian Union, when Pakistan broke a stand still agreement with him and invaded his “Country”. According to the India Independence Act of 1947, only the area directly under control of British had the choice to choose between India or Pakistan, the Princes had their choices including to remain independent.

    Nizam the Moron-in-Chief of Haydrabad wanted a 1,000 Km corridor through India to join Pakistan with overwhelming majority Hindu population in the state. His Razakar army started killing and driving out Hindus from the state. Something similar to what Sri Lankan Army did to SL Tamils when they were forced to flee to India.

    Goa was Indian territory before Portuguese invaded it, again 90% Hindu population, it was liberated in 1960 by Police action. Sikkim people voted to join Indian Union in a referendum in 1975. So what is your point dude? Losing cool is the first sign of someone who is batting on a weak wicket…Mr. Wijeyasingha

  • Mr. Bernard Wijeyasingha

    Any reference to Nazi Germany is a reference
    to a calculated state sponsored program to eradicate a group of people, mainly Jews, but also Communists. Gypsies, homosexuals, political prisoners.
    The Nazi Reich also included the concept of a superior race, which was to exist for a thousand years. It was first clearly stated in Mein Kamph, written by Adolf Hitler who was an Austrian.
    The Concept of a pure Nordic race goes back to the 19th century, It first started with putting the Jews in Ghettos like Warsaw. It went on with ideas of relocating them to other nations outside of Europe. The theory of a superior race included wiping out inferior races including people who are disabled due to hereditary issues. it also included special centers for the propagation of the Germanic Nordic races (incl Ausria, Sweden, Norwegians.). The “final solution” came later on. It involved taking the Jewish population out of the Ghettos and concentration camps (where in the latter they served as slaves till they died of it) to “death camps’ which were fed by “death trains” Reason is that the Semitic people were inferior to the Aryan people. Nazis’ twisted the notion of the death of Christ to validate genocide even though they hated the Vatican and had to be careful of their Catholic soldiers.
    The first to officially be killed were SA officers caught in a homosexual party. the 2nd to be killed and imprisoned were the Communist party, many of them German Jews. One of them wrote “Das Capital” in London. The “bible of the communist party in Europe.
    In the death camps it is estimated 14 million were killed, out of which 6 million were Jews and 8 million were slavs, Russians, Christians. Gypsies, Gays, etc.
    In Dachau Dr. Mengele experimented with little children, mostly twins. there were 20 thousand death camps.
    The Nazis used the modern state and modern technology as efficiently to eliminate millions of people.
    Now that you have a brief synopsis of Nazi Germany how does that compare to Sri Lanka and the Tamils, especially when economic growth in Sri Lanka, after the war ended was 7.5% and in Jaffna 22%. You tell me how you can compare Sri Lanka to Nazi Germany?

  • Mr. Bernard Wijeyasingha

    Your examples
    1) can also be compared to the Indian military in Kashmir and the NE. to Operation Polo where 200 thousand were killed in annexing Hyderabad. In so many nations, in so many wars including wars the allies fought against the axis powers such as carpet bombing Tokyo to Dresden. It got so hot that people vaporized. and the roads melted.
    3) deprived of citizenship? India has 15 million Known slaves. the largest in the world of an estimated 30 million known slaves.
    4)India reneged on her promise to keep Sikkim an autonomous state. reneged on allowing the Nizam the right to form his own nation and reneged on the independent land of Goal held by the Portuguese Empire. Indira reneged on the promise to honor the purse for the kings who chose to join India and India helped to divide a sovereign nation Pakistan. India reneged on so many promises she does not even know the meaning of it.
    4) deliberately driven from their homes? ask the 100 million Adivasi who have been kicked out of their ancestral land so the elite of India could get their hands on a mountain of mineral wealth. Tell that to the 317 million Dalit many of whom end up in the slave market.
    tell that to 15 thousand Nepali girls taken from Nepal every year and sold for whatever, including organs. flesh trade, beggars (where hands and legs are chopped off by Doctors so they can earn more money). You can Google any of this.
    5) Promises India made to Sri Lanka to not interfere promises India made Sikkim that she will remain autonomous. Promises India’s constitution made to do away with the ungodly caste system.
    6) when dealing with ‘2nd class citizens you betterr
    -address the 15 million slave population
    – address the 317 million Pariah (Dalit) population
    -address the 100 million Adivasi (Tribal) population
    -address the 180 million Muslim population who were butchered in Gujarat by Modi.

  • DavePh

    You killed 200,000 Sri Lankan Tamils as collaterals, that was done by the State organs of Sri Lanka, take of your blinders and see the fact for what it is…genocide…just like Hitler did to Jews. Rajapaksha did that to SL Tamils. He did not have to follow a step-by-step manual of Nazis to be labeled as such…SL Tamils were driven out of their homes and forced to flee to India (in exile), they were forced to live in inhuman conditions in camps setup by SL Army.
    Why do you think the West was ready to take SL to the IHRC? There is a lot of Indian investment in SL Tamil areas, India has provided funds to build housing for SL Tamils, even free money is not used by Sri Lanka to provide relief to SL Tamils. Even if you use some twisted logic, it proves that the War inflicted by Sri Lankan state on SL Tamils was the reason for lack of growth in Jaffna…

  • Mr. Bernard Wijeyasingha

    Dave
    You got to do better than that. when you can deal with this list then we will deal with Sri Lanka
    -15 million slaves in India
    -Beggar population under the Beggar Mafia
    -100 million Adivasi (tribals) and the inhuman savage treatment of them
    -India’s leather industry and the savage treatment of animals
    -the 5 year ritual of animal slaughter of close to a million killed in any manner using any means including physically tearing them apart. mostly held in Nepal but Hindu and attended by mostly Hindu Indians
    -317 million Dalit (Pariah) population also used in slavery and all kinds of sub human savagery
    -180 million Muslims treated like garbage.
    -The slum dwellers of India
    – the pavement dwellers of India’
    -India having the world’s largest number of malnutritioned people, 3 thousand Indian children die each day of malnutrition conditions
    While India is the biggest waster of food. 21 million tons of wheat wasted per year. or that of Australia’s total output per year. world’s largest waster of fruit and vegetables.
    -raw sewage and industrial waste so bad that 80% of India’s surface water is polluted
    -air pollution so bad that it includes massive amounts of Asbestos particles. India is the world’s largest consumer of asbestos. I hope other readers of Asia times have the decency to Google the above for verification.

  • DavePh

    1) In Kashmir it is Islamic terrorism, the same way it was LTTE and Sri Lankan Govt combined… The Kashmiri terrorists drove out 500,000 Hindu Pundits who are the original inhabitants of Kashmir. But Indian Army does not go about killing everyone in their line of site. In fact Indian Army soldiers have sacrificed their lives to prevent collateral causalities of civilians. When HR violations are found, guilty are punished…

    When are you going to Hang Rajapaksha???

    2) It was the Razakars army that was responsible for the deaths before and after their defeats for the civilian deaths in Hyderabad. Indian State did not go about killing civilians like SL Army did with SL Tamils.

    3) India may have bonded labor problems, but it is
    not state perpetrated, we have laws with severe punishment to offenders. On the other hand Sri Lankan Govt. actively used its state machinery to disenfranchise the SL Tamil population and subjugated them in inhuman conditions.

    4) Sikkim people decided to be an Indian state in a referendum, there was nothing that was done unscrupulously. The elected PM of Sikkim requested to be a state of India, people voted 97.5% against the Chogyal of Sikkim. Indian Constitutional Amendment #35 made it an Associate state and then a full state like any other…

    5) Don’t propagate Bullshit stories in the name of Adivasis, they too need development and that needs land. People are adequately
    compensated and given jobs. India is a democracy where peopl’s will is final. We are not Sri Lanka which deprives and kills it’s own citizens just because they are ethnically different.

    6) India promised not to interfere in SL and we kept it, had we actually indeed interfered then You would be from Southern Sri
    Lanka. Sikkim wanted to be a full state of India and we honored that wish.

    7) Constitutionally Cast system is abolished, people of backward cast and social strata have special reservations in Govt. jobs, schools, colleges, hospitals, factories and Govt. enterprises. The reservation is close to 50% for them, now tell me how many % seats/jobs have Sri Lankan Govt. given to SL Tamils? I bet you have no place to hide now.

    8) All the people you listed as 2nd class citizens, actually enjoy many more benefits from the State then people who do not belong to that strata or cast. The issue of Gujrat riots is in the courts and people responsible are being punished. We have a thriving and
    functioning judiciary and press.

    So, tell me when are you going to prosecute Rajapaksha and hang him for crimes against humanity – i.e. killing 200,000 SL Tamil civilians.

    So moron, do your home work properly before trying to cite examples.

  • DavePh

    OK I agree we have many issues that you have listed, still we are the fastest growing economy over taking China. We have 500 million middle class that has money to spend. We need to improve on a lot of what you have stated. I would be naïve to think that those issues does not exist, the point is we acknowledge that and the Govt. and people are doing something about to improve on it…

    Now coming back to the genocide killing of 200,000 SL Tamils by Rajapaksha aka Hitler and the Sri Lankan Gastapo Army, when are you going to prosecute and convict them for Crimes against humanity?

  • Mr. Bernard Wijeyasingha

    Dave

    the title of this article is “India’s Master Plan for the Indian Ocean”. it is about India so lets keep to India. You have avoided the questions. So before India has any plans for the Indian ocean why don’t you deal with the following for you can Google it and it is written by International organizations Dave. You cannot use your duck and cover liberal nonsense in this paper. so why does this list even exist in India?

    15 million slaves in India
    -Beggar population under the Beggar Mafia
    -100 million Adivasi (tribals) and the inhuman savage treatment of them
    -India’s leather industry and the savage treatment of animals
    -the 5 year ritual of animal slaughter of close to a million killed in any manner using any means including physically tearing them apart. mostly held in Nepal but Hindu and attended by mostly Hindu Indians
    -317 million Dalit (Pariah) population also used in slavery and all kinds of sub human savagery
    -180 million Muslims treated like garbage.
    -The slum dwellers of India
    – the pavement dwellers of India’
    -India having the world’s largest number of malnutritioned people, 3 thousand Indian children die each day of malnutrition conditions
    While India is the biggest waster of food. 21 million tons of wheat wasted per year. or that of Australia’s total output per year. world’s largest waster of fruit and vegetables.
    -raw sewage and industrial waste so bad that 80% of India’s surface water is polluted
    -air pollution so bad that it includes massive amounts of Asbestos particles. India is the world’s largest consumer of asbestos.

  • Mr. Bernard Wijeyasingha

    Dave
    Even if you agree to ONE issue as in slaves
    15 MILLION SLAVES are NOT bonded labor. they are bought and sold. during slavery in the US, from the 17th to the 19th century the total slaves the US had was 650 thousand Dave.
    That makes India in the 21st century, the WORLD’S LARGEST SLAVE BASED SOCIETY.
    That is worse than
    slavery in the US
    apartheid
    Segregation and
    even the Nazi era,
    How about the Aghori sadhus and their habit of eating rotten human flesh, or dead fetuses
    How about child sacrifices Dave? you want to Google them? they are documented by international organizations. How dare you point your grubby finger at other nations while you make excuses for the endless horrors of India? how could you?

  • DavePh

    No I do not agree to Slavery that is concocted bullshit of some motivated NGOs, and it is not same as bonded labor, they exists even in Sri Lanka so don’t try to gloat over a human tragedy, and importantly it is not state sponsored, like SL Tamil genocide of 200,000 Tamils was by SL Govt.
    So now you are going to hide behind bonded labor in India, to divert attention from the fact that Rajapaksha the Hitler and Sri Lankan Army the Gastapo were responsible for Ethnic Cleansing of Sri Lankan Tamils?

  • DavePh

    You see like a Sri Lankan who is unable to do multi tasking, Indians on the other hand are capable of handling multiple tasks, one of it to take care of our people. A lot of the figures you are posting are pure and unadulterated bullshit and nothing more…
    But that does not provide you a fig leaf to hide your criminal Rajapaksha and terrorist Sri Lankan Army Gastapos.

  • Mr. Bernard Wijeyasingha

    Dave
    Google “India has the worlds’ largest number of slaves”
    Google “15 thousand Nepali girls are sold in India each year”

  • Mr. Bernard Wijeyasingha

    Dave
    I am an American. So get used to it.
    and lets deal with India since this article is on India. You already admitted India has the problems I listed, so no more excuses

  • DavePh

    I know you would like to be like Bobby Jindal, but you are and will always remain a Sri Lankan America, just the way you addressed me as Indian American, so get used to it…

    Taking an American Name “Bernard” did not take the “Wijeyasingha”
    out of you. LOL.

    Agreed this article is about INDIA, you see articles are written about powers that matter. But really, is that your excuse to shield Rajapaksha Hitler and Gastapo SL Army? Because the Indian Plan also involves keeping Sri Lanka in it’s place and cross hair if need be.

  • Mr. Bernard Wijeyasingha

    I am proud to be a Sri Lankan American. I accept both world’s
    As for you Dave
    You cannot point accusations at Sri Lanka, China, Pakistan or any nation of your choosing. You have to find a source of information to back your accusations.
    At the same time
    You cannot avoid the problems of India I listed, calling them rubbish. You sound silly. Then you decide for the rest of us, which is the truth and which is not. Sri Lanka bad India goood. does not work that way Dave.
    I can just as well state what you pointed about Sri Lanka as rubbish from a demented mind. your demented mind and everything I have to say about India is the God’s honest truth. We both have to get our information from somewhere.
    so since this article is about India and not Sri Lanka, the US, China or Pakistan or any other nation then lets deal with India and all of the items on my list.

    All you have to do is Google it. the same place you found information about Sri Lanka that you were so eager to accept as the truth, is the same place you will find the information about India! so Dave when do you decide which is the truth for you and which is not…. for you?

  • DavePh

    Looks like you did not read my post properly, I said I have lived through those times, and my source of information is BBC, VOA, AIR and many news papers and magazines over the years.

    The thing is in all these posts of yours, you never once regretted the death of 200,000 SL Tamils, that badly reflects on your own credibility and neutrality. The fact is your Govt. thought it to be OK to kill them as collateral also speaks volumes about its mindset. Make no mistake, that is nothing short of being Nazis.

    If this article is about India, then what a Sri Lankan like you doing posting cock and bull here??? And if you are going to post about India, I have enough material to cover the whole of Sri Lanka… I have not yet begun to talk about JVP, remember them??? and how it was crushed?

  • Mr. Bernard Wijeyasingha

    Dave
    then I question your sources of Information.
    You have questioned mine. who gives you that right? don’t I too have the same right as you to rebuke your sources of Information? You have shown NO emotion or compassion for what I listed. the Dalits alone is all over india. anyone can see that. the slum dwellers. the beggars and the pavement dwellers. are all over India and yet you deny them. ‘
    Now after 14 five year plans later and an open economy India has run out of time and excuses. so have you. Did you personally count 200 thousand Tamils dead? so why should I accept your information when you will not accept mine?

  • DavePh

    Bernard, I can also write a blog and post some cock and bull story with imaginary numbers. Did someone go and count these numbers? its preposterous…I hope you are old enough to know that everything you see on the internet, including Google searches is not factual.

    I have also read that hundreds of Sri Lankan Sinhala girls are brought by boats to Southern India and pushed in flesh trade. So what are you doing about it?

  • DavePh

    Bernard, really? If you were really proud to be a Sri Lankan, you would not have checked me on calling you as such. That itself proves the guilty conscious of yours….or more realistically the sense of belonging to a country that committed genocide of SL Tamils.

    These are the numbers derived from interviews and missing person reports by NGOs. Of course for you Bernard, nothing happened and you would like to play fiddle thinking that everything is well with the World that the SL Tamils are dead and gone… So where did you get the figure of 40,000 SL Tamils killed? You see those are SL Govt. figures and they have a solid reason to under report these numbers, the NGOs and relatives of the dead don’t.

    Even if you I take your number of 40,000 SL Tamils killed, what moral right do you have to justify that? Lets see if your relatives were killed by your Govt. then I am sure the shoe will be on other foot, correct? You would believe everything and not question the sources.

  • Mr. Bernard Wijeyasingha

    Dave
    I am writing about (not talking) the age of Information
    and
    the age of the internet
    Since 1947 India hid her dirty big secrets. It was very hard for the average person to know about the dark side of India. Not anymore. Now that information is available for all to read. the :”horror” of India is that the list I provided to you is happening in a nation during peace times. From the horrors of being the world largest slave based society to the horrors of the Caste system to the horrors done on India’s tribes are now available on the “internet” simple as that Dave.

  • DavePh

    Bernard, I know you are good at copy/paste job, I will give you that. But I don’t buy such motivated exaggerated reports. A lot of people can write what they want, opinion does not become facts…But murder of civilians and their disappearances in Sri Lanka are factual and verifiable truths…its all available on “Internet” that you so fondly quote…as simple(ton) as that Bernard. 🙂

  • Mr. Bernard Wijeyasingha

    Colombo’s figure is 9 thousand. the BBC video tape figure is 40 thousand.
    so back to India and the nasty horror of your motherland. it is a nightmare for men, women (who are r*ped so often that India is now called by Indian wome “R*peistan”. Google that. even 5 to 4 year old girls are r*ped. read the Hindustan Times for a blow by blow description of just that horror. read the Deccan Herald, read the Times of India,. read WHO reports (world health organization) read Human rights reports on India. It is an endless list of horrors perpetrated on men women, children, babies animals. India has dramatically changed and it is time you faced up to that. read about the pollution. 80% of her surface water is polluted Hindustan Times. Your own Indian newspapers Dave. Your own motherlands news media is covering a lot of this.

  • Mr. Bernard Wijeyasingha

    Dave
    then do not expect for anyone to take you seriously either. You do not have an exclusivity to what is going on around the world. It is after all the age of Information. the age of the internet. The days of Indians mouthing off about the sins of other nations sounds rather stale don’t you think considering the open sewers of Mumbai?

  • DavePh

    You see, when crimes against women happen we have a system that supports them, the Police takes action, the women have courage to report such crimes…

    Sri Lanka on the other hand, the state itself is involved in raping their citizens. thousands of Tamil women were raped by the Gastapo Sri Lankan Army. SL Army also raped thousands of JVP supporter women and wives of their activists.

    I wonder if you had some connections to these criminal activities that you are so much defending them. Are you a war crime absconder or product of it?

    Oh sure we have many issues that we need to solve, that also includes ensuring that pint size countries like Sri Lanka are kept in their place. Don’t worry about INDIA, we are on our way to become a $42 Trillion economy by 2050 and one of the most developed countries in Asia. I guess Sri Lanka will remain the Poodle it is.

    But you did not state when you are going to hang Rajapaksha the murderer!! You see instead of worrying about my motherland worry about the criminals ruling yours.

  • Mr. Bernard Wijeyasingha

    Then do a Google on Indian Police and
    # of medical staff per 1 thousand Indians.
    Read about India’ massive corruption. Police in India are under trained, or not even trained, easily bribed and do not do their job. the Maoists know this very well.

  • Mr. Bernard Wijeyasingha

    As for your reports on Sri Lanka. how do you know it is the truth? If you come back that people told you that. hey I can say the same about India. so again how do you know that Sri Lanka is worse than India?

  • Mr. Bernard Wijeyasingha

    Dave
    again the days of Indians mouthing off about the sins of every other nation are over.

  • DavePh

    Bernard, what does all that have to do with Criminal Terrorist Rajapaksha, the genocide army of Sri Lanka and killing of 200,000 SL Tamils? Are you going to hide them behind some Indian police taking bribe? What bankrupt arguments you are posing dude?

  • DavePh

    Bernard, really? And I have to hear that from product of a country that indulged in ethnic cleansing of it’s minority? A country that was censored for HR violations and murders of its citizens? A country whose head of state directed his army to kill civilians by 100s of thousands?
    India’s days of showing Poodles like Sri Lanka under its paws has just begun, keep watching the developments in next 5 years.

  • Mr. Bernard Wijeyasingha

    Dave
    Everything. the article is on India Dave. You are trying so hard on Asia times to avoid India. You have taken me on for hours desperately making this article on India an issue about another nation. why don’t you comment about the moon for once maybe the gullible reader will Google “moon” instead of “India”
    When there is an article about Sri Lanka then lets write about it. But in this age of the internet you cannot mouth off about another nation in order to cover up the sins of your India/
    have you ever heard of the saying
    “Before you point to the dust in your brothers eye take out the log from your own eye”?. you have an entire forest in both your eyes when it comes to avoiding the problems of India. Dave you have to try better than that.

  • Mr. Bernard Wijeyasingha

    Dave
    Yes you do. the article is on India.

  • DavePh

    I am quoting from Googled sources, unless only you are allowed to use that source….Sri Lanka is worst then India is because you are quoting our social, economic and environmental problems. I am on the other hand quoting you the ethnic cleansing, murder of 200,000 people by your Govt. what is more ghastly? Use your own fair judgement…and if you still come back with the laundry list of India’s problem, that will prove where you exactly stand.

  • DavePh

    No, I do not have to, simply because keeping screws tight on Sri Lanka is part of the game plan, of course a one page plan by India…

  • Mr. Bernard Wijeyasingha

    Dave
    to quote you “I am quoting from Googled source”
    so am I Dave. So again what makes you so right and I so wrong when we both are using the same search engine? maybe hypocrisy”? or is it denial?

  • Mr. Bernard Wijeyasingha

    Dave
    You said you are an American Indian and you got your information by Googling. How do you know what New Delh’s plans are? how do you know any nation’s plans? If you are that special what are you doing on this forum? get off the high horse dave. You have lost on this forum and all can see it. Now you are actually thinking you know India’s game plan? that is way out there buddy

  • DavePh

    Bernard, I am not at all trying hard the facts are pretty clear and known to me, this article on India is about our strategy in Indian Ocean. Unless Sri Lanka has now moved to Pacific or Atlantic Ocean we can omit discussing it. You are fighting a losing argument, Sri Lanka is one of the “Moons” in INDIAN Subcontinent that is in orbit of India, so obviously we have to discuss that.
    When someone like you duck the facts and shy from criminalities of your country of origin, that gives a good assessment on how to deal with Sri Lankans. Keep trying to deflect, its not working…
    You haven’t answered the question : When are you going to hang Rajapaksha for genocide of SL Tamils?

  • DavePh

    Bernard, we are using Google search engine, its merely a tool to find information. if you look into Sri Lankan sources only, you will get the information that they provide. I have seen many reports from different sources and they all point towards the ethnic cleansing of SL Tamils by Sri Lankan Army.

    I would like to actually the same question, why this denial? I know you have no leg to stand for hypocrisy….

  • Mr. Bernard Wijeyasingha

    Dave
    then deal with the problems of India. We are both Americans. this article is on India. so why drag Sri Lanka? You did not have to respond to my comment. Now you are trying to save face. You cannot avoid the problems of India. they are existing today and getting worse.

  • Mr. Bernard Wijeyasingha

    Dave
    So we both use Google and we both are right. You have not addressed any problem in India, not even the 15 million slaves, not even the 317 million pariahs or the horror of the 100 million Dalits. That alone is a massive nightmare that dwarfs any other nation’s problems. and you will not deal with it. But see it does not matter. All our comments are on this forum for anyone to find out. they can go up to my list and Google the information themselves. Asia times is a well read magazine.

  • DavePh

    Bernard, unlike you I have not changed my name to fit in… I am an Indian American, not American Indian there is a big difference between the two.
    You need to learn to read and watch news and articles from the country of your interest, defense experts and policy makers when deliver lectures that gives indications of the plans…You have to have common sense to understand, if there is an bad element in my neighborhood, I need to keep an eye and action plan for it… SL is one such element for India. And if you have any sense of how strategic doctrines are worked out and planned, then you would know that countries planning for strategic actions keep all variables and options in mind and allocate military resources for it.
    LOL, lost is your cause to duck and deny the criminality of your country of origin and it is for every one to see dude…

  • DavePh

    Bernard, This article is about Indian Ocean Strategy and Sri Lanka is a small but unscrupulous element that India needs to fix for good. India has done nothing to hide face, it was Sri Lanka that was censored by Human Rights commissions and World bodies. LOOL
    Why would we avoid problems of India, we will take them head on…
    But for the Poodle Sri Lanka, you don’t have a leg to stand due to your criminal genocide of SL Tamils…
    So, when are you going to hang Rajapaksha? Ensuring that he does not come to power again is also part of the Indian Plan.

  • Mr. Bernard Wijeyasingha

    Sri Lanka has been covered on this issue for 5 years. the world media is just beginning to get to India . and
    Bernard is my christened name from birth. You assume too much. Your farce of an India is being exposed for what she really is. the greatness of India is what is being trumpeted and that serves the elite few and not her 1.3 billion people. Again my list is there for anyone to Google. just go up this comment thread.

  • Mr. Bernard Wijeyasingha

    Dave

    Now you sound desperate; anyone reading my comments i have made a list of horrors that are happening in India. They are:

    15 million slaves in India
    -Beggar population under the Beggar Mafia
    -100 million Adivasi (tribals) and the inhuman savage treatment of them
    -India’s leather industry and the savage treatment of animals
    -the 5 year ritual of animal slaughter of close to a million killed in any manner using any means including physically tearing them apart. mostly held in Nepal but Hindu and attended by mostly Hindu Indians
    -317 million Dalit (Pariah) population also used in slavery and all kinds of sub human savagery
    -180 million Muslims treated like garbage.
    -The slum dwellers of India
    – the pavement dwellers of India’
    -India having the world’s largest number of malnutritioned people, 3 thousand Indian children die each day of malnutrition conditions
    While India is the biggest waster of food. 21 million tons of wheat wasted per year. or that of Australia’s total output per year. world’s largest waster of fruit and vegetables.
    -raw sewage and industrial waste so bad that 80% of India’s surface water is polluted
    -air pollution so bad that it includes massive amounts of Asbestos particles. India is the world’s largest consumer of asbestos.

  • DavePh

    Bernard, well learn to differentiate between what is a Problem and what is a crime… India has problems… Sri Lanka is Criminal who has committed genocide of SL Tamils… All can go up your list and see for themselves where you stand. You have no remorse for the crimes, and of course you will pay in due course as Rajapaksha has paid… an election defeat engineered by India, by Hitler’s own admission. LOOL

  • DavePh

    Bernars, LOL now you are cracking me up… Learn to differentiate, what SL did was genocide… what India has are problems which we will deal with…LOOL

  • Mr. Bernard Wijeyasingha

    Dave

    Many on this list goes well beyond crime.

    15 million slaves in India
    -Beggar population under the Beggar Mafia
    -100 million Adivasi (tribals) and the inhuman savage treatment of them
    -India’s leather industry and the savage treatment of animals
    -the 5 year ritual of animal slaughter of close to a million killed in any manner using any means including physically tearing them apart. mostly held in Nepal but Hindu and attended by mostly Hindu Indians
    -317 million Dalit (Pariah) population also used in slavery and all kinds of sub human savagery
    -180 million Muslims treated like garbage.
    -The slum dwellers of India
    – the pavement dwellers of India’
    -India having the world’s largest number of malnutritioned people, 3 thousand Indian children die each day of malnutrition conditions
    While India is the biggest waster of food. 21 million tons of wheat wasted per year. or that of Australia’s total output per year. world’s largest waster of fruit and vegetables.
    -raw sewage and industrial waste so bad that 80% of India’s surface water is polluted
    -air pollution so bad that it includes massive amounts of Asbestos particles. India is the world’s largest consumer of asbestos.

  • DavePh

    Sri Lanka has been covered and censored on this issue and will forever remain a blot on its National character. Its a matter of time when the Tamils of SL if not properly rehabilitated picks up the gun.

  • Mr. Bernard Wijeyasingha

    Not working Dave.
    and when Indians start with the lols then you are really getting angry. Hey the truth that India has 15 million slaves is a fact. It is also a crime and an abormination

  • DavePh

    Bernard, will your list change the fate of Sri Lanka if it tries to tackle India? No dude, we will sink it.

  • Mr. Bernard Wijeyasingha

    Dave
    We finally agree. People who are oppressed should fight.
    be it Sri Lanka or India.

  • Mr. Bernard Wijeyasingha

    Agree
    People demanding secession should pick up the gun be it
    Sri Lanka or India.

  • DavePh

    Bernard, I can see that you have run out of argument and steam, and that’s why you keep repeating the same broken record. LOOL you can keep repeating puny citations without merits or credibility… SL has already lost its credibility.

  • DavePh

    Bernard, and this time around we will send in Indian Army to make sure you will start stating that you are from Southern Sri Lanka…

  • DavePh

    Bernard, so I am glad you agree that you did Oppress Sri Lankan Tamils, they were forced to pick up guns to stop the atrocities committed by Sri Lankan Govt. on them. Good start…

  • Mr. Bernard Wijeyasingha

    Dave
    Wise decision. Please send your comment to the Indian army so they will invade Sri Lanka. Oh BTW there is an article on Sri Lanka in the Asia Times. you may want to read my comment.

  • Mr. Bernard Wijeyasingha

    Dave
    If Sri Lanka is such a menace to India that you would make such an insinuation then why not do it now and destroy
    Sri Lanka? India has the power to do that.

  • Mr. Bernard Wijeyasingha

    Dave
    It is a very good start for it validates using deadly force to achieve an independent nation be it Eelam, Khalistan, Kashmir to the North East states of India. Same logic applies to all.

  • Mr. Bernard Wijeyasingha

    Dave
    Okay so Sri Lanka has lost its credibility
    You want the Indian army to destroy or sink Sri Lanka
    You are glad that the militants will take arms against Colombo
    I have no problem with those. None whatsover.

  • DavePh

    Indeed, people who are wronged should be righted, their legitimate grievances should be addressed. As long as they are treated as equal citizens who enjoy all the rights in letter and spirit like any other ethnicity, there should be no need for the gun… But, Sri Lankan President Rajapaksha went back on all his promises, and was loath to implement schemes with even free money from India, to help the SL Tamils. That is why I said, SL should do what is right by it’s Tamil minority population, else there will be another war.

  • DavePh

    Subject to Sri Lanka not doing anything that is against India’s interests. Sri Lanka will know when it has crossed the line, as India will make it amply clear by words and actions.
    But, why would I like to destroy Sri Lanka otherwise, non-violence is ethos of Hinduism and so is that of Buddhism, except that Sri Lanka did not practice that with it’s minorities and tried ethnic cleansing on them.
    If Sri Lanka does not treat all it’s citizens, that includes SL Tamils as equal, then by all means that route should be open.

  • Mr. Bernard Wijeyasingha

    Another war will not work, for it will be against a well trained and experience military. Rajapakse also built a world class infrastructure for rapid deployment of Sri Lankan heavy armor to any part of the island. It has to be a war against Sri Lanka’s economy. Gut that and then Colombo will come to the table.
    That is the same template for secessionist movements in any nation with a powerful military. Avoid the military and attack the economy,.be it Sri Lanka or India.

  • DavePh

    Of course, if the state kills innocent people and subjugates them, disenfranchise them then that may be the only morally sanctioned route left. The thing is, except Elam, the other insurgencies are based on false pretext because by law every one is an equal citizen in India. Indian judiciary, election commission and Govt. bodies are independent and robust enough to defend the rights of our citizens. You can not say that about Sri Lanka, where the Judiciary was a moot spectator and SL Army the active perpetrator of genocide. Just like Nazi Germany.

  • DavePh

    May be, SL has to be pressed where it hurts to come to it’s senses and give a fair treatment to its citizens, including SL Tamils.

  • Mr. Bernard Wijeyasingha

    I disagree. Violence is the ethos of Hinduism. You can see that in
    the Mahabharata
    the Ramayana
    Kautilya’s Artha Shastra
    Hindu Ashoka’s attack on the Hindu Kalinga kingdom. Only then did Ashoka convert to Buddhism
    Chola Hindus and Tamil Hindu Kingdoms against Sinhalese kingdoms
    Militant Chola empire that invaded and conquered as far as the Ganga and down to central Sri Lanka to South East Asia.
    Hindu attacks on Buddhism before the Muslims in India, as chronicled in the

    Ashokavadana and the Divyavadana
    Buddhism and Jainism were reformist faiths that focused on non violence (Jainism) and the middle Path (Buddhism). ]
    During the Muslim period
    the Rajputs would fight with each other as much as they would fight with the Mogul Empire
    The Vijayanagar Empire was a militant Hindu Empire and so was the Maratha Empire.
    Buddhist Kings also fought. In India, China. Japan, South East Asia, Sri Lanka. all had large armies.
    Chandragupta Maurya was a Buddhist Emperor who defeated the Greek Satrapis
    The Kushan Empire was Buddhist and was militant.
    As for India and Sri Lanka, the neighborhood is full of major powers. India checks on Sri Lanka and China/Russia check on India. then there is the stand off between nuclear Pakistan and nuclear India.

  • Mr. Bernard Wijeyasingha

    Let me put it to you this way. when it comes to :Eelam Colombo does not agree with you.
    when it comes to India the separatists do not agree with you.

  • Mr. Bernard Wijeyasingha

    Same template for India for no separatist can take on the Indian army and win. they have to gut India’s economy.

  • DavePh

    They did try and fail, but the fact is that India is fair and square with all it’s citizens. Yes, aberrations do occur but there is never a sanctioned concerted Govt. machinery used to kill our own people by tens of thousands like Sri Lanka did.

  • DavePh

    You see that’s your misunderstanding, I have been repeating this umpteen number of times that India did not and does not support a separate Elam. India supported a statehood for Tamil areas under the sovereign Sri Lankan flag and Federal control, where they could elect their state Govt. and live peacefully. This is something similar to states in India, or the 49 states of USA. I do not see any thing wrong with that, but when you don’t allow that and subjugate them, there lies the problem.
    Yes, separatists will not agree with anything other then decimation of their opponents, that is why they are separatists. But, when full constitutional rights are accorded, freedom given to all, there is nothing left to give, other then bullet for bullet fired upon us.
    Sri Lanka failed to give those full constitutional rights to SL Tamils, and instead committed genocide.

  • Mr. Bernard Wijeyasingha

    I only know that India has 114 separatist groups including the Maoists. the Maoists are now in 12 Indian states and are very popular with the poor. They are well armed, well funded and have no problem getting recruits.

  • Mr. Bernard Wijeyasingha

    I do not think New Delhi or Colombo has any say what the Sri Lankan Tamils want. Remember South Africa? she was a powerful nation but the black people wanted to remove the apartheid system. Johannesburg did not agree with them. Many Western nations did. the pressure was put on South Africa’s economy till it finally caved in. The rise and fall of nations to Empires is rather common.

  • DavePh

    LOL, I can’t believe what you just said. You are quoting Mahabharata, which was a battle for righting the wrong done to the Pandavas. Non-Violence does not mean getting killed, or face injustice, but not to go out and harm others for your personal gains.
    Violence in self-defense, to protect your kith and kin, property etc, is permissible even in Buddhism and Jainisim, otherwise they would not have survived. From what we see in Mynmar and Sri Lanka, the way Buddhist monks behave it begs the question if they are really following teaching of Buddha.

  • DavePh

    Well, that is one way of looking at it, and by that token every person can have a different opinion. For their own benefit and survivability, SL Tamils should have accepted the deal.

  • DavePh

    Maoists rule by terror, that is why they do not allow development to reach the grass root. Do you really believe that poor likes Maoists who kill and loot them, or is it that they are hapless in the absence of state police adequacies to protect them? Recruits are small children and teenagers, tens of their leaders have surrendered after getting disillusioned with that ideology.

  • Mr. Bernard Wijeyasingha

    We have a different approach to the Mahabharata. There were no good and bad, right and wrong. That was the whole reason for the Gita. Arjuna’ doubted killing the Kauravas (spelling) since some of them were related to him. Krishna’ sermon to Arjuna was not about right and wrong, though that was part of the Gita. It was about duty or Darhma, He also spoke of the irrelevance of life when he pointed to Arjuna that the body is like rags (Karma) or reincarnation. the atma is the only real thing. Killing his opponent even if that opponent is a relative, is not the issue. There were good and honorable soldiers on both sides. of that war.
    You also avoided the list I just gave you from the Hindu King Ashoka to the Chola empire
    I would add the destruction of the Babri Masjid and the genocide of Gujarati Muslims by Hindus to the massacre of Sikhs by Hindus after Indira was killed to the daily horror of the Dalits, Adivasi and Muslim to the Indian women by Hindu men.
    You and I will never agree and i do not want to waste my time on a commenter like you who picks and chooses what to comment and what to avoid. I will answer your other comment. you will then not be hearing from me.

  • Mr. Bernard Wijeyasingha

    Tell that to the Sri Lankan Tamils who want their own homeland.

  • Mr. Bernard Wijeyasingha

    I really do not care for the Maoists extort money from the rich and the mining industry, not the poor. this is the last comment you will get from me.

  • DavePh

    I want to be on the Moon, sorry can’t do, will have to settle with being on a hill station…and be happy as long as I have same rights as every other person.

  • DavePh

    LOL, the Maoists prevent road construction, school and hospitals building, creation of housing for the poor, that directly help the poor and backward citizens of India. they levy taxes (i.e. extortion) on the poor farmers and private companies which operate in the region. If they really were Robin Hood then they should participate in democratic elections to get into power, and do good for the people of their area.

    The problem is, their ideology is defunct even in China which is now a full blown Capital System, with a semblance of Communism.

  • Mr. Bernard Wijeyasingha

    Dave

    You said “LOL, the Maoists prevent road construction, school and hospitals building, creation of housing for the poor, that directly help the poor and backward citizens of India. they levy taxes (i.e. extortion) on the poor farmers and private companies which operate in the region. If they really were Robin Hood then they should participate in democratic elections to get into power, and do good for the people of their area.
    The problem is, their ideology is defunct even in China which is now a full blown Capital System, with a semblance of Communism.:”

    No dave the problem is you. .This conversation ended 4 days ago. and the ‘red corridor” of the Maoists is growing. you should send your comments to them and not to me.

  • DavePh

    The conversation did not end because you said so dude…:-)
    The reason I did respond because I was travelling, that is all.
    The Red Corridor of Maoists is being busted on daily basis, all their big leaders are either eliminated or are surrendering after gaining amnesty.

    The Maoists are the decoits of from 50s-80s, it is not going to help Sri Lanka from getting the rap that it richly deserves for the genocide of SL Tamil Citizens. You need to know that with the change of guard in place in New Delhi, it will not be easy for SL to hobnob with China.

  • Mr. Bernard Wijeyasingha

    That is your opinion and like any opinion it remains an opinion and not necessarily a fact. Same with mine BTW. The Red Corridor” is far from dead. Hindustan Times carried an article only about a month ago, of the emerald mining industry in India and how the Maoists are exploiting these miners. it is a new mine and very rich with deposits, but falls right into the Maoist territory. they buy the emeralds for pittance and sell them to Indian jewelers, for a high price.
    The change of guard in New Delhi is run by a genocidal thug and a Militant Hindu nationalist party. they are fully associated with the VHP and the RSS. I am sure you remember it was a former RSS member who killed the Mahatma. and Modi was chief Minister of Gujarat when 1500 Muslims were indiscriminately killed in pogrom. Hindu Militant Nationalism will be far worse for a nation like India with so many major religions and surrounded mostly by Muslim nations.
    Sri Lanka is the only part of region around India that is stable and India has the least problem. India has far more problems with Islamic Pakistan and Communist China regarding her border. That has been made worse by Modi’s militant stand of doing away with article 370 regarding Kashmir. Today”s news in the Hindustan Times is that Pakistan is inviting the Kashmiri separatists to Islamabad, much to the annoyance of India.
    In the meantime the Christian separatists of the North East dealt a massive blow on India’s military, leading to India entering Myanmar’s territory without permission. This is not even dealing with what ISIS has in store for Hindu militant India….dude. 🙂